Police Endorse Cambridge Labour’s Wet Room for Drunks Policy

Saturday, April 14th, 2012. 4:13pm

East Area Committee Poster

On the evening of the 12th of April 2012 I observed councillors on Cambridge’s East Area Committee set the areas’s policing priorities for the upcoming four months. Problems caused by street drinkers were by far the top issue raised by councillors.

Sergeant Jamie Stenton for Cambridgeshire Police initially reported:

“Street life people [his words] are often doing nothing wrong, just sitting around socialising.”

Councillors’ contributions which followed however painted a very different picture.

Labour councillor for Coleridge George Owers told the committee about disorder he could see out of the window of his flat, which overlooks the Co-Op on Mill Road, Romsey. Liberal Democrat Kilian Bourke also identified that area as being a problem, he said that a bench in that area had been taken over by street drinkers. Cllr Bourke said that there had been an influx of new street drinkers in the “broadway” area of Mill Road where the Co-Op is located and these people were aggressive and not, as previous street drinkers had been, part of the community who shop keepers and others could communicate with.

Cllr Marchant-Daisley (Labour) reported that in her Petersfield ward street drinkers were harassing people and causing alarm and distress, making clear their behaviour was criminal. She identified the Dicthburn Place bus stop on Mill Road as a particular focal point and described how street drinkers were behaving in an aggressive and loud manner, sometimes fighting, which made people feel unsafe. Others also talked about the impact on bus users getting on and off buses on Mill Road.

Cllr Owers repeated calls he, and his party colleagues, have made previously, for a “wet centre”, so street drinkers can be cleared from the streets and put somewhere else (at previous meetings Cllr Owers has suggested this could be a garden, or part of a park, if not a “room” or “centre”).

Police Sergeant Jamie Stenton expressed support for the Labour “Wet Room” proposal. He said a wet room would be “very good”. While places for street drinkers to go and drink are not mentioned in Labour’s 2012 Local Election Manifesto for Cambridge, Labour councillors made clear they would like to see them during the April 2012 East Area Committee, as they have done at previous meetings of the committee and during recent full council debates. As we are in an election period I thought this clear support for a specific party’s policies by the police was unusual and surprisingly political.

Liberal Democrat Cllr Saunders made a request for the “council’s psychiatric nurse” to be involved. I read after the meeting that the council employs a community psychiatric nurse in its street outreach team, I wasn’t previously aware of this.
A council document from 2008 lists a bid for this post, saying:

Provision of a specialist alcohol Community Psychiatric Nurse (CPN) to move street drinkers away from a street-life culture and to contribute to the assessment for allocation of new clients to existing
supported hostels and shared houses where appropriate

The cost of the nurse was £60K per year in 2008.

A more recent document from March 2012 reveals that the post holder works from the council’s “Cambridge Access Surgery” which is a dedicated GP service specially for homeless people based at 125 Newmarket Road.

The meeting’s chair Cllr Blencowe asked Inspector Poppet, the city’s neighbourhood policing chief, to comment (he had been lurking in the public seating). Inspector Poppet told the committee the police had started better sharing of information on particular street drinking individuals with the city council to aiming to ensure individuals “had a range of services around them”.

Liberal Democrat Cllr Sarah Brown asked that any priority set did not specifically mention or target street drinkers, but instead ought refer more generically to “anti-social behaviour” so to avoid unfair targeting of a particular group. Her suggestion was not taken up by the committee.

It was notable that dispersal zones were not mentioned by the police or councillors, despite proposals for a zone in the city centre which could have the effect of displacing more street drinkers to East Cambridge. The central zone proposed includes Mortimer Road in East Cambridge, and East Road which is on the boundary of the area, so the area committee really ought to have been informed about it. The East Area Committee’s chair, Cllr Blencowe, is personally pushing for a dispersal zone for East Cambridge, so an update on that might have been expected too.

Councillors congratulated the police on their work addressing their previous priority which was to: “Address alcohol and drug related ASB in Norfolk Street, East Road and Newmarket Road areas”. All councillors who spoke were uncritically positive about the police’s success in doing exactly what they’d been asked to do in that area.

There was some discussion of licensing. Mr Gawthrope, the only member of the public to contribute to the policing item, urged councillors to set licence enforcement, and controlling alcohol sales as a priority, but no councillors took up his suggestion. The police did however agree, at councillors’ request to consider pushing for licence reviews on those they were aware were selling alcohol to people who were drunk. While agreeing Sgt Stenton didn’t appear too keen saying “what counts as drunk might be different for different shopkeepers”.

The meeting was told that Sgt Stenton was being moved to another role, and Sgt Colin Warden would be taking over policing East Cambridge. Sgt Warden was present but sat silently in the public seating.

The committee set a priority of street life drink related antisocial behaviour, including related class A drug dealing.

My View

There is a problem

The behaviour of some homeless people, or those living in hostels, drinking on the streets, of Cambridge are a serious problem because they make the city unsafe, and make it feel unsafe. The problems reported by the East Cambridge councillors are repeated in many parts of the city. Harassment, aggressive begging, loud arguments and these people fighting amongst themselves and who sometimes lunging at and directly intimidate the public have a real impact on how safe the city feels. Illegal drug use, crime to fund drug and alcohol use, robbery and random violence are also committed by the same people.

Focus on criminality

I think we need to focus on the criminality, rather than anti-social behaviour which is not otherwise criminal. Focusing on the criminality rather than other aspects such as merely street drinking or merely congregating means we can target those causing serious problems without having to ask the police to treat one group of people differently from others.

Sentence people to medical help

When people are sentenced by courts for criminal offences and their offending is related to their alcoholism or other addictions then I think their sentences need to both punish and focus on medical treatment, in the interests both of the individual and the wider community. Currently what happens is the courts hand down a “supervision order” with a treatment element. What this will actually amount to isn’t usually known to the court, it is determined by the probation service and drug treatment service later in secret. I’d like to see more transparency and clearer sentences which, for example, both punish by removing someone’s freedom and requiring them to do something. Having to attend for treatment, at a certain place, for a certain period is a restriction of liberty and ought be seen as such by the courts. We need to stop people getting lighter sentences, sometimes involving no punishment, for offences because they are addicted to drugs or alcohol. We need to both punish and seek to address the underlying problem, and I think that can be done together. Magistrates ought set the number of hours of treatment sessions to be attended in the same way as they set numbers of hours of community service to be carried out. Often I think it would be appropriate for sentences to contain both community service and treatment elements.

Sentences need to be long enough for treatment to be effective. Just as Magistrates sometimes allow a driving ban length to be reduced by attending a course, a sentence for a treatment order could perhaps be reduced if certain goals are met, this approach would allow longer sentences for those not changing their behaviour.

A court sentence shouldn’t be the easiest or quickest way for someone to obtain or be able to continue treatment. All GPs in the city need to be aware of the range of services which are available, what they offer. Currently I think this basic knowledge is lacking. People also need to be able to continue treatment even after their treatment orders have expired.

City wide priorities

There are two city wide police and crime priorities which are potentially directly related to the problems associated with street drinkers:

  • alcohol-related violent crime
  • antisocial behaviour

Progress against these priorities is monitored by the “Community Safety Partnership” on which Cambridge residents are represented by the city’s Executive Councillor for policing, Liberal Democrat Tim Bick. The latest reports to the partnership’s meeting in February 2012 show that street drinking by the homeless / those living in hostels isn’t being considered under these priorities.

I think that where area committees are interested in matters which are city wide priorities they ought receive the reports on city wide progress. This is something I’ve been suggesting for years in the North of the city but the Liberal Democrats have inexplicably opposed it. I’d have liked to see one of the outcomes of the East Area Committee meeting being feedback to Cllr Bick and the Community Safety Partnership.

Notably the city wide priority for alcohol related violent crime has a quantifiable target based on injury statistics:

  • To reduce ‘assault with less serious injury’ by 3 percent by March 2014 from the baseline of 2010-11 (8355).
  • To record less than 1,100 presentations to the Emergency Department at Addenbrooke’s Hospital by March 2012, where the cause of injury is coded ‘assault’.
  • Establish a baseline in 2011-12 for the number of ambulance call outs for ‘assault’ with a view to using this to set targets in future years.

I think this kind of thing is excellent.

I’d like to see councillors on area committees setting priorities with measurable priorities along these lines for their local areas, they should be receiving statistics on crime related injuries.

Influence magistrates and probation

The community safety partnership is also an opportunity for influencing the magistrates and probation service. I’d like to see councillors using it to make clear to these groups what impact the behaviour of street drinkers is having on the city so that sentencing and sentences can take that into account.

I’d also like to see councillors making more use of Cllr Al Bandar who, according to his declarations of interest was appointed to the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Probation Trust board for three years from 2010. The Trust’s own page on it’s board doesn’t list him, but the organisation isn’t very good at transparency.

The Community Psychiatric Nurse

I’d also like to hear from the Community Psychiatric Nurse who we’re paying for. I think they should appear before councillors either at a scrutiny committee or an area committee to explain what they do and hear councillor’s views in public. I had not heard of this post until two days ago, but my initial concern is this may be another area where the council is getting into something it ought leave to the experts. I think a lot of effort is mis-directed by the city council meddling round the edges, for example with its anti-social behaviour team getting into a bit of policing, or in this case employing a health professional. I think the councillors could be more effective if they focused on influencing the core services provided by the NHS and the police.

I would also be interested in learning why the city council has a separate GP surgery for homeless people and those living in hostels, and what the arrangements are – are people required to attend the specialist provision or can they register with other GPs for example.

Councillors at the East Area Committee appeared reasonably good at identifying the key issues of concern to their constituents and specific geographical problem areas. They appeared less keen, or perhaps less able, to show leadership and seek out and prioritise solutions.

Wet centres

Unlike the police I oppose the Labour councillor’s calls for places where street drinkers can go to drink, be it a dedicated part of a park or a designated building. The key problem I have with this is it’s focused on clearing the streets, tidying away the problem, and not addressing the underlying problems those involved have with their health and lives. I am also concerned that we would be concentrating the violent and other unpleasant behaviour into a specific area, and wherever in the city we put that it’s going to cause a problem.

Hostels and services

Jimmy’s Night Shelter is being refurbished and will provide some services 24 hours a day (though currently the proposal is not to provide a place for people to go and drink). Current changes to the provision for homeless people throughout the city is in the direction of providing more intensive assistance, I think this is the right direction to go; although he capacity to provide accommodation needs to be able to meet demand.

Role of an elected commissioner

An elected police commissioner may well be able to empower and assist councillors:

  • Ensuring councillors get high quality statistics and other evidence to combine with what they’re hearing from their consituants and experiencing themselves so that they’re as well placed as possible to set priorities.
  • Encourage the setting of priorities with measurable outcomes; and encouraging councillors to hold the police to account for any areas where their performance has not been acceptable, finding our what the problems are and helping get them addressed.
  • Pointing and helping councillors use the routes councillors have available to them for influencing organisations such as the courts, probation, drug treatment services, the community safety partnership, hostels, housing providers etc and helping them ensure their views are heard there. A commissioner will have the opportunity to bring all organisations involved in policing and crime related matters together more effectively than has happened to-date.


As there are local elections coming in in May I thought I would look at what the manifestos of those standing in East Cambridge have to say in relation to this area:

Liberal Democrats

Manifesto Link.

  • “We will continue to : Fund a community psychiatric nurse in the street outreach team who organises a specialised evidence suggests they are needed” [That's a direct quote, it is garbled in the manifesto].
  • “We will : Expand the detox programme for street drinkers administered by the community psychiatric nurse by funding an extra project worker”.
  • “We will continue to : Address homelessness as a causal factor In some types of anti-social behaviour”
  • “We will continue to : Encourage greater transparency, public debate and scrutiny on policing prioritiesr”
  • “We will continue to : Bring together Police and other relevant parties to address recurrent anti-social behaviour in particular locations”


Manifesto Link.

A Labour City Council will:

  • environment where they can get help and treatment. [sic]
  • Work with police to introduce targeted alcohol-free zones via Designated Public Places Orders where there is evidence of a problem and where local communities want it
  • Commission a report that outlines effective new policies to ensure that street-drinkers and drug-takers get the rehabilitation and wider support they need.
  • Work with local hostels to improve management
  • Work with the police to implement Section 30 dispersal orders in areas where persistent anti-social behaviour is a real problem.
  • Re-examine recent Lib Dem cuts to city centre CCTV.
  • Ensure that the Cambridge Community Safety Partnership engages with community organisations and residents more openly and effectively.
  • Create a single Antisocial Behaviour Hotline.
  • new City Centre enforcement officer to take tough action against anti-social behaviour.
  • Work with local off-licences and supermarkets to crack down on the sale of alcohol to those already drunk or under-aged.
  • Look for further opportunities with the police to extend Cumulative Impact Zones where necessary.


Green Party Public Order Manifesto for Cambridge.

We oppose a city-wide drinking ban and find unacceptable the suggestion that ‘middle-class drinking’ will be allowed whilst ‘scruffy drinking’ will be outlawed. Criminalising drinkers and drug users will not solve the problem, nor will simply shifting it elsewhere. If drinkers are actually causing an actual problem, for example unacceptable levels of harassment, aggressive behaviour or theft, then there are laws to deal with these problems.

More resources are needed to address the root cause of alcoholism and anti-social behaviour through preventative measures. These include better provision within the public health service, adequate staffing, and provision of care in groups small enough to allow for individual attention.

Cambridge Socialists

Manifesto Link.

While the Cambridge Socialists have nothing to say on street drinking and related crimes directly, they do promise: “No more home repossessions” and to “Create 1 million climate jobs”, policies which may impact on the underlying causes of homelessness and associated street drinking.

Cambridge Conservatives

Policies link.

The Conservatives locally appear to have no relevant policies. (When Conservative Chris Howell was on the council though he was one of the most effective at setting police priorities other than those the police themselves were proposing).

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8 comments/updates on “Police Endorse Cambridge Labour’s Wet Room for Drunks Policy

  1. Richard Taylor Article author

    Cambridge Conservatives Deputy Chairman Tim Haire has tweeted to say:

    @RTaylorUK our view on this, which we have expressed before including on twitter, is the police should use the powers they already have.

    As I have written in the article, I think there is much more councillors can do in this area than simply approve or refuse giving additional dispersal powers to the police which is what the Conservative appears to be referring to.

  2. Gerry Dorrian

    I can understand the frustration that causes you to say that people should be sentenced to medical help.

    I used to work with addiction services in Cambridge, first with the (original) Bridge and then in Mill House in Addaction.

    At the Bridge then, we did not accept probation referrals on the grounds that you cannot sentence somebody to be helped if they don’t want to receive that help.

    Addaction received referrals, and there were successes – some people on those referrals were helped: those who had realised how bad things could get and wanted to find another way forward.

    Otherwise, people were turning up when they were told and sometimes, when a drugs-worker phoned a probation-worker to discuss a client, the probation-worker was grateful to be told that the person had been released from prison, which hadn’t been in contact with probation.

    People who are using drink and/or drugs problematically will often not feel motivated to move on until they have experienced a critical mass of negative consequences for themselves through their behaviour. This is where the justice system should be key but where it is falling flat on its face due to underfunding and soft magistrates/judges.

    The British Freedom view on justice goes to the root of the matter: “criminals should fear the consequences of their behaviour”. It’s only when prisons become institutions that people won’t want to return to that they will become, in the words of Pope John Paul II, “places of redemption”.


  3. Richard Taylor Article author

    If someone breaches a treatment order then they will return to court for sentencing again; both for the original offence and the breach.

    I agree we need to be encouraging people to voluntarily want to seek help and deal with their problems; but when their behavior becomes criminal and others are being adversely affected I think its right for the state to step in and require they obtain help to address their problems. I would have thought a first step those working with people sentenced to treatment would need to take is persuading the person change is in their, and society’s interests. Other early steps will be sorting out more pressing issues for the person such as finding somewhere to live so that they can then move on to dealing with the health problems.

  4. Leigh Robinson

    The CPN for homeless only works with those who have diagnosed mental health issues. I have worked with her and she does what she can. The client needs to be willing to work with her to make changes. Clients can experience severe mental health problems but if they do not want help, she can do nothing.

    The problem is that a large portion, probably the majority of mental health suffered by homeless is undiagnosed so falls out of her remit to help. Cambridge desperately needs a counselling and emotional support service that could give people the help they need before becoming stuck in the cycle of homelessness.

    The Newmarket Road GP Surgery is an excellent service for the homeless. You do not have to be registered with them. Its a drop-in service. Many homeless are very reluctant to visit the GP, unwilling to wait and feel they are being judged. The access surgery is more tolerant of behaviour and attitudes as some users are banned from other practices.

    Without the surgery many more of the homeless community would die.

    I just wish councillors and those setting policy would come and work shadow for a while and get to know some of the homeless people. They would be better informed in making their decisions.

  5. Richard Taylor Article author

    I’d certainly like to see better informed decisions, that’s a key reason for wanting more openness and transparency.

    That’s why I’d like to see the nurse telling councillors and the public about that role; I’d like to see much more openness from the courts and probation service too about what they’re doing.

  6. Cllr George Owers

    Er, you misquote the Labour manifesto on public safety, the first sentence of which reads:

    “A Labour City Council will:
    - Look into opening a ‘wet centre’, which will give street drinkers an off street environment where they can get help and treatment”

    Seriously, if you can’t even read or copy and paste our manifesto, it’s pretty difficult to engage with you.

  7. Richard Taylor Article author

    My copy of the Labour Manifesto looked like:

    It should (and does in certain software) read:

    The Lib Dems have failed to take the robust action we need to make Cambridge
    safer for all. Tackling anti-social behaviour, addressing the problem of street-drinking, and boosting enforcement will be among Labour’s top priorities.

    A Labour City Council will:

    Look into opening a “wet centre” which will give street drinkers an off street environment where they can get help and treatment….

    However the text about the wet centre is not copy and pasteable even in the most modern adobe reader.

  8. Gerry Dorrian

    Richard, thanks for your answer, which is of course correct: breaching a treatment order will, as you say, result in additional sentencing for the breach.

    What I’m saying is that many people go round and round in a circle, accruing such sentences, so much so that the justice system feels like a safe space for them as substance use becomes more entrenched. The drink-drug system vis-à-vis criminality doesn’t work with such users because it is essentially toothless: how do you help somebody who is happy to go to prison realise that things are bad enough for them to want to change?

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