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	<title>Comments on: Suggestions to Save Public Money - Cut Obsolete Newspaper Adverts</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-46376</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joseph farley
If your workplace is 0.2 miles away, why aren't you walking or cycling there? Just think of the "damage to the ozone" you are doing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joseph farley<br />
If your workplace is 0.2 miles away, why aren&#8217;t you walking or cycling there? Just think of the &#8220;damage to the ozone&#8221; you are doing!</p>
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		<title>By: joseph farley</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-46355</link>
		<dc:creator>joseph farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to save money, can we not make a rule were we can park on yellow lines and not park were there are not yellow lines as there are less parking spaces on the roads we would need to spend less money on yellow lines.
also, the highways need to look into the on-way traffic issues, so many on-way roads are out of date were vehicles have to use, example, were I work, I have to drive 2.2 mile on a on-way road to get to and exit which is 0.2miles by my work place. just think of the fuel costs and damage to the ozone that the out of date on-way systems are causing.
Joseph Farley
UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to save money, can we not make a rule were we can park on yellow lines and not park were there are not yellow lines as there are less parking spaces on the roads we would need to spend less money on yellow lines.<br />
also, the highways need to look into the on-way traffic issues, so many on-way roads are out of date were vehicles have to use, example, were I work, I have to drive 2.2 mile on a on-way road to get to and exit which is 0.2miles by my work place. just think of the fuel costs and damage to the ozone that the out of date on-way systems are causing.<br />
Joseph Farley<br />
UK</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-27821</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Barking and Dagenham Freedom of Information response on WhatDoTheyKnow which was referred to in the previous comment can be found at :

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/council_newspapers_16#incoming-65236

It states:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Council advertising must be placed in The News unless there is a legitimate reason for placing the advertisement in another publication, for example, direction in law on where the advertisement is placed.

Public notices are charged per single column centimetre. Council public notices must be published in The News unless there is a valid exemption, such as having to appear in consecutive weekly publications. This is a policy decision by the council and finance will block any attempts to place advertisements or public notices that qualify for The News in any other publication.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Barking and Dagenham Freedom of Information response on WhatDoTheyKnow which was referred to in the previous comment can be found at :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/council_newspapers_16#incoming-65236" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/council_newspapers_16#incoming-65236</a></p>
<p>It states:</p>
<blockquote><p>Council advertising must be placed in The News unless there is a legitimate reason for placing the advertisement in another publication, for example, direction in law on where the advertisement is placed.</p>
<p>Public notices are charged per single column centimetre. Council public notices must be published in The News unless there is a valid exemption, such as having to appear in consecutive weekly publications. This is a policy decision by the council and finance will block any attempts to place advertisements or public notices that qualify for The News in any other publication.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ben Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-27813</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting find on WhatDoTheyKnow: Barking and Dagenham borough council get around this by publishing their own fortnightly newspaper and putting their notices in that:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting find on WhatDoTheyKnow: Barking and Dagenham borough council get around this by publishing their own fortnightly newspaper and putting their notices in that:</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-24886</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Winnick replied:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear Mr Taylor,

Thank you for your email regarding my speech in the House over the matter affecting constituents and the Highways Agency.

I share your views about advertising, and if you have not already done so you may wish to contact your own MP.

Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.

Yours sincerely,

David Winnick
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Winnick replied:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Mr Taylor,</p>
<p>Thank you for your email regarding my speech in the House over the matter affecting constituents and the Highways Agency.</p>
<p>I share your views about advertising, and if you have not already done so you may wish to contact your own MP.</p>
<p>Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>David Winnick
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-24642</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written to Mr Winnick,
&lt;blockquote&gt;

Mr Winnick, 

I listened to you in Parliament yesterday saying:

"Residents were given no proper notification that the work was going to take place. ...  All that happened was that some advertisements were placed in the regional press that residents were unlikely to see."

Are you aware that the Highways agency spends £3,340,426.53 a year on those adverts which you rightly say those interested and concerned are unlikely to see? Local highways authorities probably spend many times that amount, I estimate £16,000,000. 

There is a clear opportunity here to both save a large amount of money and significantly improve communication; a web-based system would cost a tiny fraction of the sums currently being spent. Even if people didn't sign up for email alerts themselves their elected representatives, local papers and local bloggers probably would and information about proposed works on roads would be more effectively communicated. 

I have written an article about the cost of statutory advertising in relation to work on roads at:

http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/1953

I am not one of your constituents. 

Regards, 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written to Mr Winnick,</p>
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<p>Mr Winnick, </p>
<p>I listened to you in Parliament yesterday saying:</p>
<p>&#8220;Residents were given no proper notification that the work was going to take place. &#8230;  All that happened was that some advertisements were placed in the regional press that residents were unlikely to see.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you aware that the Highways agency spends £3,340,426.53 a year on those adverts which you rightly say those interested and concerned are unlikely to see? Local highways authorities probably spend many times that amount, I estimate £16,000,000. </p>
<p>There is a clear opportunity here to both save a large amount of money and significantly improve communication; a web-based system would cost a tiny fraction of the sums currently being spent. Even if people didn&#8217;t sign up for email alerts themselves their elected representatives, local papers and local bloggers probably would and information about proposed works on roads would be more effectively communicated. </p>
<p>I have written an article about the cost of statutory advertising in relation to work on roads at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/1953" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/1953</a></p>
<p>I am not one of your constituents. </p>
<p>Regards,
</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-24640</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking in Parliament on the 16th of December 2009 on the subject of motorway works in his constituency Labour MP David Winnick said 

"Residents were given no proper notification that the work was going to take place. ...  All that happened was that some advertisements were placed in the regional press that residents were unlikely to see."

There is a clear opportunity here to both save a large amount of money and significantly improve communication. 

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2009-12-16a.983.3&#038;c=25048

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Richard Taylor
Cambridge
http://www.rtaylor.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking in Parliament on the 16th of December 2009 on the subject of motorway works in his constituency Labour MP David Winnick said </p>
<p>&#8220;Residents were given no proper notification that the work was going to take place. &#8230;  All that happened was that some advertisements were placed in the regional press that residents were unlikely to see.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a clear opportunity here to both save a large amount of money and significantly improve communication. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2009-12-16a.983.3&#038;c=25048" rel="nofollow">http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2009-12-16a.983.3&#038;c=25048</a></p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Richard Taylor<br />
Cambridge<br />
<a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtaylor.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-17129</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of job adverts I just came accross &lt;a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/170/response/425/attach/2/Advertising%20Query%20Information.xls" rel="nofollow"&gt;this spreadsheet on WhatDoTheyKnow&lt;/a&gt; which shows Kings Lynn Borough Council spent £27,605 advertising jobs in the Cambridge Evening News in 2007/8 that may give another taste of how significant these funding channels are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of job adverts I just came accross <a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/170/response/425/attach/2/Advertising%20Query%20Information.xls" rel="nofollow">this spreadsheet on WhatDoTheyKnow</a> which shows Kings Lynn Borough Council spent £27,605 advertising jobs in the Cambridge Evening News in 2007/8 that may give another taste of how significant these funding channels are.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-17128</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"it is still the case that a third of the population don't have access to the internet."

An even lower fraction of the population read their local paper; never mind read the small print of the statutory adverts or have easy access a back issue from a couple of weeks or months ago.    

Even if an individual doesn't have internet access I think publishing information online makes it more accessible to them than publishing it only in a local paper. 

(Cambridgeshire County Council have referred enquirers to back issues of papers rather than supply information on notices.)

I think local papers, and local online media, can be commercially viable propositions. We certainly shouldn't be supporting them in a backhanded manner through statutory notices. I think local news, coverage of councils, local arms of the state, courts etc. is crucial but would not support this kind of subsidy. Opening up the these currently secretive organisations so that information on their activities is easily open to all, including the local press, would  reinvigorate local news coverage. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it is still the case that a third of the population don&#8217;t have access to the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>An even lower fraction of the population read their local paper; never mind read the small print of the statutory adverts or have easy access a back issue from a couple of weeks or months ago.    </p>
<p>Even if an individual doesn&#8217;t have internet access I think publishing information online makes it more accessible to them than publishing it only in a local paper. </p>
<p>(Cambridgeshire County Council have referred enquirers to back issues of papers rather than supply information on notices.)</p>
<p>I think local papers, and local online media, can be commercially viable propositions. We certainly shouldn&#8217;t be supporting them in a backhanded manner through statutory notices. I think local news, coverage of councils, local arms of the state, courts etc. is crucial but would not support this kind of subsidy. Opening up the these currently secretive organisations so that information on their activities is easily open to all, including the local press, would  reinvigorate local news coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: David Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-17124</link>
		<dc:creator>David Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that the adverts are not very effective, it is still the case that a third of the population don't have access to the internet.

The other thing to consider is that, while this isn't the purpose of these adverts, they quite possibly keep the papers in business, and local papers are an important part of local democracy that is already under huge pressure. Funding papers by the back door is not the best way to do it, but it may be the only thing between having a local paper and not for some at present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that the adverts are not very effective, it is still the case that a third of the population don&#8217;t have access to the internet.</p>
<p>The other thing to consider is that, while this isn&#8217;t the purpose of these adverts, they quite possibly keep the papers in business, and local papers are an important part of local democracy that is already under huge pressure. Funding papers by the back door is not the best way to do it, but it may be the only thing between having a local paper and not for some at present.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hollingsbee</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/suggestions-to-save-public-money-cut-obsolete-newspaper-adverts.html#comment-17116</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hollingsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we know if any of the £3.3m plus £96k were reimbursed by other organisations - e.g. a utilities company paying the County Council for a road closure, with their payment including the statutory advertising costs?

If so, some of the savings that would come from a change in the law would not directly benefit the State.

More worryingly, I do hope that the costs you discovered via FOI are not net figures - i.e. after deducting such reimbursements. If that were the case, the real amount spent on advertisements could be much higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we know if any of the £3.3m plus £96k were reimbursed by other organisations - e.g. a utilities company paying the County Council for a road closure, with their payment including the statutory advertising costs?</p>
<p>If so, some of the savings that would come from a change in the law would not directly benefit the State.</p>
<p>More worryingly, I do hope that the costs you discovered via FOI are not net figures - i.e. after deducting such reimbursements. If that were the case, the real amount spent on advertisements could be much higher.</p>
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