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	<title>Comments on: Proposed Tree Works at Vicar&#8217;s Brook</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-50720</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The County Council are about to embark on £150,000 of work to widen the cycle path. This includes some work on the banks of the brook - I hope they don't rip up any of the newly planted trees. 

http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/pressrel.nsf/6fcbd4565a583c6480256b52004254fd/f05c01229ea4156d802577930053eeed?OpenDocument</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The County Council are about to embark on £150,000 of work to widen the cycle path. This includes some work on the banks of the brook - I hope they don&#8217;t rip up any of the newly planted trees. </p>
<p><a href="http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/pressrel.nsf/6fcbd4565a583c6480256b52004254fd/f05c01229ea4156d802577930053eeed?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/pressrel.nsf/6fcbd4565a583c6480256b52004254fd/f05c01229ea4156d802577930053eeed?OpenDocument</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-15551</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The work is currently in progress. It appears the felling has started at the downstream end and is working towards Trumpington Road. 

Not all trees and saplings growing on the sides of the brook have been removed - the effect is drastic, but less extreme than it could have been. It appears that the banks have been reshaped and cut sharply in places. 

&lt;img src="/images/vicars-brook-cleared-1.jpg" "Trees and vegetation cleared from Vicar's Brook Cambridge" /&gt;
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&lt;img src="/images/vicars-brook-cleared-2.jpg" "Trees and vegetation cleared from Vicar's Brook Cambridge" /&gt;

One side effect of clearing vegetation from the bank is that goats (and sheep?) grazing on Sheep's Green now able to walk up the bank and continue the council's work keeping the plants down. I expect this is an unintentional consequence of the work and the fence will now need repairing. I quite like the idea of the council's tree officers using goats - I expect they'll be &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-councils-spending-on-trees-and-open-spaces.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;cheaper than their usual contractors&lt;/a&gt;.  

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&lt;img src="/images/vicars-brook-goats.jpg" "Goats and Sheep on the banks of Vicar's Brook - Cambridge" /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The work is currently in progress. It appears the felling has started at the downstream end and is working towards Trumpington Road. </p>
<p>Not all trees and saplings growing on the sides of the brook have been removed - the effect is drastic, but less extreme than it could have been. It appears that the banks have been reshaped and cut sharply in places. </p>
<p><img src="/images/vicars-brook-cleared-1.jpg" "Trees and vegetation cleared from Vicar's Brook Cambridge" /><br />
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<img src="/images/vicars-brook-cleared-2.jpg" "Trees and vegetation cleared from Vicar's Brook Cambridge" /></p>
<p>One side effect of clearing vegetation from the bank is that goats (and sheep?) grazing on Sheep&#8217;s Green now able to walk up the bank and continue the council&#8217;s work keeping the plants down. I expect this is an unintentional consequence of the work and the fence will now need repairing. I quite like the idea of the council&#8217;s tree officers using goats - I expect they&#8217;ll be <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-councils-spending-on-trees-and-open-spaces.html" rel="nofollow">cheaper than their usual contractors</a>.  </p>
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<img src="/images/vicars-brook-goats.jpg" "Goats and Sheep on the banks of Vicar's Brook - Cambridge" /></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-12944</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highlighted the delays the decision process with relation to these trees when &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-adopts-new-protocol-for-making-decisions-on-tree-works.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;I spoke at Cambridge City Council's Strategy and Resources Committee&lt;/a&gt; on Monday. 

I was told that the Executive Councillor has not yet made the decision, despite having been sitting on it for five weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highlighted the delays the decision process with relation to these trees when <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-adopts-new-protocol-for-making-decisions-on-tree-works.html" rel="nofollow">I spoke at Cambridge City Council&#8217;s Strategy and Resources Committee</a> on Monday. </p>
<p>I was told that the Executive Councillor has not yet made the decision, despite having been sitting on it for five weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Symonds</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-11556</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Symonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the brook does flood (as it has maybe twice in the nearly 7 years I have walked to work this way) it naturally goes into the back gardens of Chaucer Road as all there really is between them is a land ridge which gets topped or soaked though. That's totally natural, it doesn't go up to the houses as they all seem to be on higher ground. But the new (really bad) new house right next to the footpath to Chaucer Road where the bridge above is had put big wooden panneling at the end of their garden. Surely this is a flood risk as well?
I'm sure thats got nothing to do with the fact that when it flooded in October 2002 the water reached the spot where there is now an outdoor swimming pool?
When it got rather high a couple of years ago I told the builders (who were amazed at the water going over the little bridge) that was what had happened and they didn't know anything about it.

They have a drain doing straight into the brook. In fact they have an extensive amount of underground drainage equipment (which has been replaced at least once whilst building due to mechanical equipment damaging it) costing over £10,000 a set (I heard) that I guess all trickles out into the brook. I don't know if this sort of thing was taken into consideration at any point.

One of my issues with all this, as well as what everyone else has said is that if they cared atall about trees blocking waterways they'd have cleared the trees that have been sagging into the main river itself, those smaller trees that are dipped well into the water or maybe even remove the tree that fell into the stream that leads under Fen Causeway up to Bella Italia. That was well over a year ago and causes debris and water blockage as well as impeding birds going up and down that stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the brook does flood (as it has maybe twice in the nearly 7 years I have walked to work this way) it naturally goes into the back gardens of Chaucer Road as all there really is between them is a land ridge which gets topped or soaked though. That&#8217;s totally natural, it doesn&#8217;t go up to the houses as they all seem to be on higher ground. But the new (really bad) new house right next to the footpath to Chaucer Road where the bridge above is had put big wooden panneling at the end of their garden. Surely this is a flood risk as well?<br />
I&#8217;m sure thats got nothing to do with the fact that when it flooded in October 2002 the water reached the spot where there is now an outdoor swimming pool?<br />
When it got rather high a couple of years ago I told the builders (who were amazed at the water going over the little bridge) that was what had happened and they didn&#8217;t know anything about it.</p>
<p>They have a drain doing straight into the brook. In fact they have an extensive amount of underground drainage equipment (which has been replaced at least once whilst building due to mechanical equipment damaging it) costing over £10,000 a set (I heard) that I guess all trickles out into the brook. I don&#8217;t know if this sort of thing was taken into consideration at any point.</p>
<p>One of my issues with all this, as well as what everyone else has said is that if they cared atall about trees blocking waterways they&#8217;d have cleared the trees that have been sagging into the main river itself, those smaller trees that are dipped well into the water or maybe even remove the tree that fell into the stream that leads under Fen Causeway up to Bella Italia. That was well over a year ago and causes debris and water blockage as well as impeding birds going up and down that stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-11315</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been informally informed, via a councillor, that as of today (5th June 2009) the Director of Community Services and Cllr Julie Smith are still considering their decision. 

My email to the council asking what happened at the planning meeting has not been responded to. They don't have a culture of transparency and freedom of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been informally informed, via a councillor, that as of today (5th June 2009) the Director of Community Services and Cllr Julie Smith are still considering their decision. </p>
<p>My email to the council asking what happened at the planning meeting has not been responded to. They don&#8217;t have a culture of transparency and freedom of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-10927</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 

I did not attend; I have asked officers what happened but they have not yet replied. 

I think the council ought publish "decision notices" as soon as possible following meetings so that wider public don't have to wait until the minutes are released to find out what was decided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, </p>
<p>I did not attend; I have asked officers what happened but they have not yet replied. </p>
<p>I think the council ought publish &#8220;decision notices&#8221; as soon as possible following meetings so that wider public don&#8217;t have to wait until the minutes are released to find out what was decided.</p>
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		<title>By: David Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-10844</link>
		<dc:creator>David Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reference to the matter being considered at Planning Committee on 27 May. Were you there, Richard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reference to the matter being considered at Planning Committee on 27 May. Were you there, Richard?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-10772</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have received a response to my &lt;a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_current_tree_works_decisions" rel="nofollow"&gt;request for information about the decision making process to be followed&lt;/a&gt;. 

I have been told that the Council's &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-to-debate-tree-felling-policy.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;new protocol&lt;/a&gt; will be followed. However that requires public (and councillor) notification of the proposals which does not appear to have taken place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have received a response to my <a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_current_tree_works_decisions" rel="nofollow">request for information about the decision making process to be followed</a>. </p>
<p>I have been told that the Council&#8217;s <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-to-debate-tree-felling-policy.html" rel="nofollow">new protocol</a> will be followed. However that requires public (and councillor) notification of the proposals which does not appear to have taken place.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-10287</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &lt;a href="http://www.cambridge.gov.uk/public/councillors/agenda/2009/0527plan/05_3.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Report to Cambridge City Council's planning committee on the 27th of May 2009 has been published&lt;/a&gt;. 

It reveals that the planning committee are going to be asked to advise the Executive Councillor for Arts and Recreation, Julie Smith, on if these trees ought be felled or not. 

I &lt;a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_current_tree_works_decisions" rel="nofollow"&gt;asked about the decision making process on the 28th of April&lt;/a&gt; but have not yet had a reply. 

Despite this not being a planning application members of the public, who are not formal objectors or supporters of planning applications can't speak on it at the meeting. If the planning committee is to start considering non-planning matters routinely then this ought be changed.   There has been much less public notification of these works than there would be for a planning application. 

The decision will presumably go to the community services scrutiny committee  after it has been taken to the planning meeting. At that meeting any member of the public will be able to speak. 

A reader has pointed out that the report states &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-ward-map.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Newnham ward&lt;/a&gt; councillors have been consulted; however the works are in &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-ward-map.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Trumpington ward&lt;/a&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.cambridge.gov.uk/public/councillors/agenda/2009/0527plan/05_3.pdf" rel="nofollow">Report to Cambridge City Council&#8217;s planning committee on the 27th of May 2009 has been published</a>. </p>
<p>It reveals that the planning committee are going to be asked to advise the Executive Councillor for Arts and Recreation, Julie Smith, on if these trees ought be felled or not. </p>
<p>I <a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_current_tree_works_decisions" rel="nofollow">asked about the decision making process on the 28th of April</a> but have not yet had a reply. </p>
<p>Despite this not being a planning application members of the public, who are not formal objectors or supporters of planning applications can&#8217;t speak on it at the meeting. If the planning committee is to start considering non-planning matters routinely then this ought be changed.   There has been much less public notification of these works than there would be for a planning application. </p>
<p>The decision will presumably go to the community services scrutiny committee  after it has been taken to the planning meeting. At that meeting any member of the public will be able to speak. </p>
<p>A reader has pointed out that the report states <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-ward-map.html" rel="nofollow">Newnham ward</a> councillors have been consulted; however the works are in <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-ward-map.html" rel="nofollow">Trumpington ward</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JackP</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8680</link>
		<dc:creator>JackP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it actually &lt;em&gt;matters&lt;/em&gt; in the grand scale of things, but they have cleaned off the previous comments. If you look closely at the second photo, you can still see the 'leave the trees alone' comment at the bottom, just above the email address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that it actually <em>matters</em> in the grand scale of things, but they have cleaned off the previous comments. If you look closely at the second photo, you can still see the &#8216;leave the trees alone&#8217; comment at the bottom, just above the email address.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8673</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as the notice went up at the site there were objections written on it (click to enlarge):
&lt;a href="/images/vicarsbrook-notice.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;img src="/images/vicarsbrook-notice-thb.jpg" alt="Site Notice - scrawled on" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

As of today, those writing their objections on the notice have been bolder with:

&lt;a href="/images/vicarsbrook-notice2.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;img src="/images/vicarsbrook-notice2-thb.jpg" alt="Site Notice - scrawled on" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

It looks as if the council have either cleaned off the previous scrawled comments or replaced the notice. 

Formally objecting to tree felling needs to be made as easy, if not easier, than getting some sticky-back paper and a black marker and defacing the notice. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as the notice went up at the site there were objections written on it (click to enlarge):<br />
<a href="/images/vicarsbrook-notice.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="/images/vicarsbrook-notice-thb.jpg" alt="Site Notice - scrawled on" /></a></p>
<p>As of today, those writing their objections on the notice have been bolder with:</p>
<p><a href="/images/vicarsbrook-notice2.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="/images/vicarsbrook-notice2-thb.jpg" alt="Site Notice - scrawled on" /></a></p>
<p>It looks as if the council have either cleaned off the previous scrawled comments or replaced the notice. </p>
<p>Formally objecting to tree felling needs to be made as easy, if not easier, than getting some sticky-back paper and a black marker and defacing the notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Paris Hague</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8612</link>
		<dc:creator>Paris Hague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you got on well tonight if you went along to the full Cambridge City Council Meeting. 
We phoned the City Council yesterday to see if our objection to the Vicar's Brook/Coe Fen tree felling had been registered, thus putting the item on the 29th April's Planning Committee agenda next week.
Lo and behold, the item was nowhere to be seen. This presumably means that the objection has not been accepted, presumably because our photographic record was not regarded as a distinct enough specification of which trees were affected by the felling order - they wanted maps and measurements, we assume. 
Why so?  Isn't it enough to know the address of these trees and to photograph every single one of them and include it in the objection? Can the City Council specify which humans these trees are going to fall on?

The Councils are getting away with envirnmental destruction by not even putting a Planning reference on tree felling work, making th item more difficult to track through committees. 
But our guess is that it will not even surface. These decisions are taken in secret by officers. Your money is buying in-house "experts" who will not brook external opinions, and will not allow third party expert reports which refute their own. 
Democracy does not apply to  British trees.
St George's Day 23rd April 2009`</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you got on well tonight if you went along to the full Cambridge City Council Meeting.<br />
We phoned the City Council yesterday to see if our objection to the Vicar&#8217;s Brook/Coe Fen tree felling had been registered, thus putting the item on the 29th April&#8217;s Planning Committee agenda next week.<br />
Lo and behold, the item was nowhere to be seen. This presumably means that the objection has not been accepted, presumably because our photographic record was not regarded as a distinct enough specification of which trees were affected by the felling order - they wanted maps and measurements, we assume.<br />
Why so?  Isn&#8217;t it enough to know the address of these trees and to photograph every single one of them and include it in the objection? Can the City Council specify which humans these trees are going to fall on?</p>
<p>The Councils are getting away with envirnmental destruction by not even putting a Planning reference on tree felling work, making th item more difficult to track through committees.<br />
But our guess is that it will not even surface. These decisions are taken in secret by officers. Your money is buying in-house &#8220;experts&#8221; who will not brook external opinions, and will not allow third party expert reports which refute their own.<br />
Democracy does not apply to  British trees.<br />
St George&#8217;s Day 23rd April 2009`</p>
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		<title>By: Paris Hague</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8296</link>
		<dc:creator>Paris Hague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We registered our formal objection today 16th Aril at 4pm, after a two hour journey! The City Council had made things difficult: on their public notice they invited e-mail comments, but then insisted that everything must be sent by post or delivered by hand. They gave us only two working days to comply, because they sent this demand on the eve of Good Friday,just as the Easter holiday started, leaving us only the following Tuesday and Wednesday to frame a full 14 page document for direct delivery. 

Their groundwork activity is unfortunately very typical of the current style of public environmental management, i.e. interventionist, heavy machinery, employment opportunities, budget preservation, "public safety" measures, potential development area when the immediate fuss from Nature Lovers has died down. 

There is something odd about the felling proposal since the stated deadline was actually Good Friday. 

In our experience, plans that are engineered to hit a public holiday often go unchallenged, so we would regard this plan and its intended outcome, whatever that may be,  as a contentious issue.

We would like to encourage everyone who feels upset by local plans to write a letter or e-mail stating their views to the Council. If they don't receive any objections, the Council will just carry on regardless and assume everyone is happy. This may seem a bit simplistic, but we are all responsible for their actions on our behalf and therefore must remain vigilant.  

With your permission, we would respectfully encourage anyone who would like to regain Common Ownership of the Fen to join our lobby via Campaigns at: www.stgeorgestrust.com

We are willing to help private campaigners on a voluntary basis on any environmental issues if we are able to do so. 

Many thanks and congratulations  to Richard Taylor for his excellent blogsite and public spirited ethic in this Big Brother era of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We registered our formal objection today 16th Aril at 4pm, after a two hour journey! The City Council had made things difficult: on their public notice they invited e-mail comments, but then insisted that everything must be sent by post or delivered by hand. They gave us only two working days to comply, because they sent this demand on the eve of Good Friday,just as the Easter holiday started, leaving us only the following Tuesday and Wednesday to frame a full 14 page document for direct delivery. </p>
<p>Their groundwork activity is unfortunately very typical of the current style of public environmental management, i.e. interventionist, heavy machinery, employment opportunities, budget preservation, &#8220;public safety&#8221; measures, potential development area when the immediate fuss from Nature Lovers has died down. </p>
<p>There is something odd about the felling proposal since the stated deadline was actually Good Friday. </p>
<p>In our experience, plans that are engineered to hit a public holiday often go unchallenged, so we would regard this plan and its intended outcome, whatever that may be,  as a contentious issue.</p>
<p>We would like to encourage everyone who feels upset by local plans to write a letter or e-mail stating their views to the Council. If they don&#8217;t receive any objections, the Council will just carry on regardless and assume everyone is happy. This may seem a bit simplistic, but we are all responsible for their actions on our behalf and therefore must remain vigilant.  </p>
<p>With your permission, we would respectfully encourage anyone who would like to regain Common Ownership of the Fen to join our lobby via Campaigns at: <a href="http://www.stgeorgestrust.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stgeorgestrust.com</a></p>
<p>We are willing to help private campaigners on a voluntary basis on any environmental issues if we are able to do so. </p>
<p>Many thanks and congratulations  to Richard Taylor for his excellent blogsite and public spirited ethic in this Big Brother era of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8280</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is excellent to hear that a formal objection has been made. Hopefully this will result in full, rational, reasoning for the works being produced by council officers and a decision being made by an elected councillor (or a committee of them). 

Currently the reasoning is unclear, and internally inconsistent. 

None of the trees to be felled would impede the flow, in flood, as much as the pipes under this bridge:

&lt;img src="/images/vicarsbrookbridge.jpg" alt="Pipes under bridge on Vicars Brook" /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is excellent to hear that a formal objection has been made. Hopefully this will result in full, rational, reasoning for the works being produced by council officers and a decision being made by an elected councillor (or a committee of them). </p>
<p>Currently the reasoning is unclear, and internally inconsistent. </p>
<p>None of the trees to be felled would impede the flow, in flood, as much as the pipes under this bridge:</p>
<p><img src="/images/vicarsbrookbridge.jpg" alt="Pipes under bridge on Vicars Brook" /></p>
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		<title>By: Paris Hague</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8269</link>
		<dc:creator>Paris Hague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>St George's Trust (Heritage and Nature Conservation) wre alerted to the Vicar's Brook felling plan by a chance visit of one of our Directors. 
Our e-mail objection was rejected: we were told on the eve of Good Friday 9th April that  a hardcopy objection specifying all the trees and with a name , address and signature had to be at the Guildhall by 16th April. So our rep is visiting today: a 167 mile round trip. 
We noted several important points:
1. The City Council has acquired this land by default: it was Common Land for grazing (self sufficiency)
2. The Brook is inundated by several drains from private properties which are almost undoubtedly causing any flooding
3. There is most likely a plan to widen and dredge the Brook as a drain, which, to be honest, is its current use - take a look at the outlets around the Chaucer Road footway at the Brook
4 . There are almost none of the flora species which the Information Board proclaims actually left on site: the Fen has been over-mown and is being managed like a municipal park
5. As a natural wetland this area should have EU protection and when in its original state was probably SSSI status with red data list species
6. This could all be reclaimed for posterity if a group could wrest possession from the Council on behalf of the people.
Finally, the quite interesting papers relating to this will be on our website from tomorrow Fri 17th April</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St George&#8217;s Trust (Heritage and Nature Conservation) wre alerted to the Vicar&#8217;s Brook felling plan by a chance visit of one of our Directors.<br />
Our e-mail objection was rejected: we were told on the eve of Good Friday 9th April that  a hardcopy objection specifying all the trees and with a name , address and signature had to be at the Guildhall by 16th April. So our rep is visiting today: a 167 mile round trip.<br />
We noted several important points:<br />
1. The City Council has acquired this land by default: it was Common Land for grazing (self sufficiency)<br />
2. The Brook is inundated by several drains from private properties which are almost undoubtedly causing any flooding<br />
3. There is most likely a plan to widen and dredge the Brook as a drain, which, to be honest, is its current use - take a look at the outlets around the Chaucer Road footway at the Brook<br />
4 . There are almost none of the flora species which the Information Board proclaims actually left on site: the Fen has been over-mown and is being managed like a municipal park<br />
5. As a natural wetland this area should have EU protection and when in its original state was probably SSSI status with red data list species<br />
6. This could all be reclaimed for posterity if a group could wrest possession from the Council on behalf of the people.<br />
Finally, the quite interesting papers relating to this will be on our website from tomorrow Fri 17th April</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Garvey</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/proposed-tree-works-at-vicars-brook.html#comment-8122</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Garvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Carter is absolutely right. This tree carnage has to stop. What is going on . Global warming must mean hotter summers where shade is at a huge premium. This clearing policy is complete madness and sanctioned by the 'experts' at every turn. Are the Council remotely interested in the views of the average citizen who want a bit of tangly wilderness, God knows, there is little enough of it left to us. I do think that come May elections, we shall have our chance to express what we feel about the chain saw massacre of the very few trees and shrubs. By the way, the Plane tree which was killed on Jesus Green was compensated by £500. That was a year ago. When is the replacement going to be planted. Some of us cannot really wait as long as the Council have planned, these twigs they're replacing mature trees with will only be a decent size in the year 2060.

Well done again Richard for helping bring attention to the latest enormity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Carter is absolutely right. This tree carnage has to stop. What is going on . Global warming must mean hotter summers where shade is at a huge premium. This clearing policy is complete madness and sanctioned by the &#8216;experts&#8217; at every turn. Are the Council remotely interested in the views of the average citizen who want a bit of tangly wilderness, God knows, there is little enough of it left to us. I do think that come May elections, we shall have our chance to express what we feel about the chain saw massacre of the very few trees and shrubs. By the way, the Plane tree which was killed on Jesus Green was compensated by £500. That was a year ago. When is the replacement going to be planted. Some of us cannot really wait as long as the Council have planned, these twigs they&#8217;re replacing mature trees with will only be a decent size in the year 2060.</p>
<p>Well done again Richard for helping bring attention to the latest enormity</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plans for Vicar's Brook seem typical of what is going on around the city: "if in doubt, chop it down". I can remember no flash flooding in this area, which in my understanding occurs in areas which have been stripped of their tree cover. In any case, we need as many trees and sgrubs as possible to maintain higher levels of insect, and therefore bird life near the city. Is it possible that the "competent and trained arboriculturalist" hired by the Council is not interested in issues such as biodiversity and local tradition? I remain highly suspicious and urge others to express their doubts also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plans for Vicar&#8217;s Brook seem typical of what is going on around the city: &#8220;if in doubt, chop it down&#8221;. I can remember no flash flooding in this area, which in my understanding occurs in areas which have been stripped of their tree cover. In any case, we need as many trees and sgrubs as possible to maintain higher levels of insect, and therefore bird life near the city. Is it possible that the &#8220;competent and trained arboriculturalist&#8221; hired by the Council is not interested in issues such as biodiversity and local tradition? I remain highly suspicious and urge others to express their doubts also.</p>
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