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	<title>Comments on: City Councillors Protest Publication of Police Strawberry Fair Video</title>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-39329</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just watched the video and it seems to mainly highlight an objection to 1. people smoking cannabis 2. people peeing and 3. people getting sick after drinking too much alcohol. Am I missing something? What is actually wrong with any these timeless activities? What is the obsession that the police have against cannabis? Did anybody, smoking cannabis ever do any harm? Its a simple case of: no victim = no crime. It seems likely that the police (like every other organisation) is slave to statistics - bosses need to prove their worth by showing a success rate - and catching easy targets (victims of an arbitrary law) with a sniffer dog really helps make good stats. We need a change of culture away from statistically managed policing, and get back to the basics of protecting the victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watched the video and it seems to mainly highlight an objection to 1. people smoking cannabis 2. people peeing and 3. people getting sick after drinking too much alcohol. Am I missing something? What is actually wrong with any these timeless activities? What is the obsession that the police have against cannabis? Did anybody, smoking cannabis ever do any harm? Its a simple case of: no victim = no crime. It seems likely that the police (like every other organisation) is slave to statistics - bosses need to prove their worth by showing a success rate - and catching easy targets (victims of an arbitrary law) with a sniffer dog really helps make good stats. We need a change of culture away from statistically managed policing, and get back to the basics of protecting the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-32542</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have asked about the use of the police helicopter, particularly over North Cambridge. 

I was told:
	1. The helicopter can be called for by all police officers, even the most junior. 
	2. For the specific period I asked about there had been a number of very important people, eg. Prince Charles visiting the city. Prince Charles &#038;co. don't like a police helicopter buzzing them all day, so they circle it over our homes in North Cambridge while they visits the City Centre, West Cambridge etc. 

I have been asking for a "heli-log" along the lines of that produced by other forces; that would give us a starting point to campaign for more reasonable use of the helicopter. In the North of the city last year it was even used to catch a loose dog; though well that sounds trivial and inappropriate we've got to be careful not to judge without the full facts. I think the police ought be more open so the public can judge if they are using their resources effectively.

One of my more recent articles on holding the police to account is available at:

http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambspa-february-2010-consultation.html

Something I am concerned about at the moment is the number of high speed crashes at junctions in the city involving the police; there have been a large handful in the last year. A number of times in the last year I have seen instances where the first officers on the scene have got things under control but police vehicles have kept coming for many minutes - speeding and sirens blaring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have asked about the use of the police helicopter, particularly over North Cambridge. </p>
<p>I was told:<br />
	1. The helicopter can be called for by all police officers, even the most junior.<br />
	2. For the specific period I asked about there had been a number of very important people, eg. Prince Charles visiting the city. Prince Charles &#038;co. don&#8217;t like a police helicopter buzzing them all day, so they circle it over our homes in North Cambridge while they visits the City Centre, West Cambridge etc. </p>
<p>I have been asking for a &#8220;heli-log&#8221; along the lines of that produced by other forces; that would give us a starting point to campaign for more reasonable use of the helicopter. In the North of the city last year it was even used to catch a loose dog; though well that sounds trivial and inappropriate we&#8217;ve got to be careful not to judge without the full facts. I think the police ought be more open so the public can judge if they are using their resources effectively.</p>
<p>One of my more recent articles on holding the police to account is available at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambspa-february-2010-consultation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambspa-february-2010-consultation.html</a></p>
<p>Something I am concerned about at the moment is the number of high speed crashes at junctions in the city involving the police; there have been a large handful in the last year. A number of times in the last year I have seen instances where the first officers on the scene have got things under control but police vehicles have kept coming for many minutes - speeding and sirens blaring.</p>
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		<title>By: A Milbourn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-32447</link>
		<dc:creator>A Milbourn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the police helicopter is an issue not just at SF but all summer. It seems a fair proportion of the few decent days we get in an English Summer are ruined by the helicopter. This isn't Hill St Blues. If they can't control Cambridge without it then the police management ought to give up and let someone competent have a try. How can we go about getting it stopped and use the money for something useful? Julie Spence's ever present personal PR campaign has been strangely silent on the SF issue. This is the only small mercy we have had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the police helicopter is an issue not just at SF but all summer. It seems a fair proportion of the few decent days we get in an English Summer are ruined by the helicopter. This isn&#8217;t Hill St Blues. If they can&#8217;t control Cambridge without it then the police management ought to give up and let someone competent have a try. How can we go about getting it stopped and use the money for something useful? Julie Spence&#8217;s ever present personal PR campaign has been strangely silent on the SF issue. This is the only small mercy we have had.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31939</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rn, 

I agree but I don't see rigorous oversight in areas I think those voting Lib Dem would rightly expect it; for example over &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/tag/dispersal-zones" rel="nofollow"&gt;Disperal Zones&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/seizure-cars-speed-humps.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;using S.59 powers to deny due process&lt;/a&gt; - the Liberals aren't even strong on Liberty in this city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rn, </p>
<p>I agree but I don&#8217;t see rigorous oversight in areas I think those voting Lib Dem would rightly expect it; for example over <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/tag/dispersal-zones" rel="nofollow">Disperal Zones</a>, <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/seizure-cars-speed-humps.html" rel="nofollow">using S.59 powers to deny due process</a> - the Liberals aren&#8217;t even strong on Liberty in this city.</p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31923</link>
		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This explains a lot, sadly. Perhaps if officers' lapses/misjudgements involved things closer to LibDem "themes" than - millions of pounds of taxpayers money, local events affecting thousands or notable Cambridge landscapes - then we could expect some serious oversight. I expect the tofu committee is rigorously policed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This explains a lot, sadly. Perhaps if officers&#8217; lapses/misjudgements involved things closer to LibDem &#8220;themes&#8221; than - millions of pounds of taxpayers money, local events affecting thousands or notable Cambridge landscapes - then we could expect some serious oversight. I expect the tofu committee is rigorously policed.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RN wrote : "I would have thought that executive councillors might be expected to be on top of the job."

Following a public question I asked at the Community Services Scrutiny Committee officers said that the licence decision was a "delegated" decision and Cllr Smith said:

"It would be wholly improper of me to exert influence over officers."

More on my new article at:

http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/prompting-council-strawberry-fair-statement.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RN wrote : &#8220;I would have thought that executive councillors might be expected to be on top of the job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Following a public question I asked at the Community Services Scrutiny Committee officers said that the licence decision was a &#8220;delegated&#8221; decision and Cllr Smith said:</p>
<p>&#8220;It would be wholly improper of me to exert influence over officers.&#8221;</p>
<p>More on my new article at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/prompting-council-strawberry-fair-statement.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/prompting-council-strawberry-fair-statement.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Ionides</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31697</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ionides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but gulags, concentration camps and the general tendency to round people up and kill them have been singularly ruthlessly persued by socialists over the last century. Indeed, using incidents such as Peterloo or the miner's strike to exemplify intolerence shows just how narrow your perspective is. Combined total casualties of what? 1500 tops (of which very few died). On average, that number were killed every day under Stalin, and with no access to the media to tell their story, either.

In fact, the genius of Thatcher and Reagan was to understand that there was economic value in giving people freedom, and that this could drive an improvement in the quality of life that the left wing regimes of the day simply could not match.

No system is perfect, and certainly some prefer the dull (and often painful) certainties of socialism to the  bright opportunities of ecomonic lberalism, but overall I am very glad that the West won the cold war, and it doesn't surprise me in the least that 13 years of Labour has left the country showing a number of symptoms of the sov block that members of this government so worshiped when they were youngsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but gulags, concentration camps and the general tendency to round people up and kill them have been singularly ruthlessly persued by socialists over the last century. Indeed, using incidents such as Peterloo or the miner&#8217;s strike to exemplify intolerence shows just how narrow your perspective is. Combined total casualties of what? 1500 tops (of which very few died). On average, that number were killed every day under Stalin, and with no access to the media to tell their story, either.</p>
<p>In fact, the genius of Thatcher and Reagan was to understand that there was economic value in giving people freedom, and that this could drive an improvement in the quality of life that the left wing regimes of the day simply could not match.</p>
<p>No system is perfect, and certainly some prefer the dull (and often painful) certainties of socialism to the  bright opportunities of ecomonic lberalism, but overall I am very glad that the West won the cold war, and it doesn&#8217;t surprise me in the least that 13 years of Labour has left the country showing a number of symptoms of the sov block that members of this government so worshiped when they were youngsters.</p>
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		<title>By: David Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31678</link>
		<dc:creator>David Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't recall the troopers who rode down the demonstration at Peterloo as being creatures of the socialist left. Nor, from a more recent era, the policing of the new-age travellers or the miners' strike. The state is the state and does not tend to give up its power voluntarily. Of course, there is truth in the statement that the right tries to price people out of power (the freedom to do anything provided you can pay for it), and calls this "choice". Let's face it, the Police's main objection to Strawberry Fair and such other events is the cost of them to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall the troopers who rode down the demonstration at Peterloo as being creatures of the socialist left. Nor, from a more recent era, the policing of the new-age travellers or the miners&#8217; strike. The state is the state and does not tend to give up its power voluntarily. Of course, there is truth in the statement that the right tries to price people out of power (the freedom to do anything provided you can pay for it), and calls this &#8220;choice&#8221;. Let&#8217;s face it, the Police&#8217;s main objection to Strawberry Fair and such other events is the cost of them to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31631</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's certainly under the last decade of Labour that we've seen a massive increase in police oppression. 

The New Labour law - &lt;a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en_4#pt1-ch3-pb4-l1g27" rel="nofollow"&gt;S.27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006&lt;/a&gt; - gives the police the power to disperse those they think might contribute to alcohol related crime or disorder. Application of that law could be used on the day the fair was to be held. 

No major party is committing to tighten up these dodgy laws which are wide open to abuse. Even the Lib Dems are prepared to support dispersal (&lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/seizure-cars-speed-humps.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;and the abuse of antisocial behaviour laws&lt;/a&gt;) where they are in power in Cambridge despite nationally being pro-civil liberties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly under the last decade of Labour that we&#8217;ve seen a massive increase in police oppression. </p>
<p>The New Labour law - <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en_4#pt1-ch3-pb4-l1g27" rel="nofollow">S.27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006</a> - gives the police the power to disperse those they think might contribute to alcohol related crime or disorder. Application of that law could be used on the day the fair was to be held. </p>
<p>No major party is committing to tighten up these dodgy laws which are wide open to abuse. Even the Lib Dems are prepared to support dispersal (<a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/seizure-cars-speed-humps.html" rel="nofollow">and the abuse of antisocial behaviour laws</a>) where they are in power in Cambridge despite nationally being pro-civil liberties.</p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31629</link>
		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Osborne : I'm not sure you're analogy is quite correct. The desire to control the masses with an oppressive police state is overwhelmingly an attribute of the socialist left, whether they are National Socialist, Communist, or Korean Worker's Party. A right wing party would merely auction the rights for SF for a large fee, charge for the use of Midsummer Common - and then sell the TV rights to Simon Cowell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Osborne : I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;re analogy is quite correct. The desire to control the masses with an oppressive police state is overwhelmingly an attribute of the socialist left, whether they are National Socialist, Communist, or Korean Worker&#8217;s Party. A right wing party would merely auction the rights for SF for a large fee, charge for the use of Midsummer Common - and then sell the TV rights to Simon Cowell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31628</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cllr Smith, and others, are quite open about the fact they struggle to stay in charge; a clear example was the publication of tree plans which Cllr Smith had not approved:

http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cllr-julie-smith-flailing-in-efforts-to-bring-city-council-chainsaws-under-democratic-control.html

More worryingly even a motion passed unanimously by full council is not having the desired effect - that's a problem both with councillors and the Chief Executive:

http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-decide-to-make-a-huge-leap-forward-in-terms-of-openness-and-transparency.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cllr Smith, and others, are quite open about the fact they struggle to stay in charge; a clear example was the publication of tree plans which Cllr Smith had not approved:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cllr-julie-smith-flailing-in-efforts-to-bring-city-council-chainsaws-under-democratic-control.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cllr-julie-smith-flailing-in-efforts-to-bring-city-council-chainsaws-under-democratic-control.html</a></p>
<p>More worryingly even a motion passed unanimously by full council is not having the desired effect - that&#8217;s a problem both with councillors and the Chief Executive:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-decide-to-make-a-huge-leap-forward-in-terms-of-openness-and-transparency.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-decide-to-make-a-huge-leap-forward-in-terms-of-openness-and-transparency.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31627</link>
		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I don't know enough about other cases. Once would be sufficient (only if the case were proved - though I doubt we've got another Crichel Down on our hands). Is it any wonder politicians (with honourable exceptions) are held in such contempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I don&#8217;t know enough about other cases. Once would be sufficient (only if the case were proved - though I doubt we&#8217;ve got another Crichel Down on our hands). Is it any wonder politicians (with honourable exceptions) are held in such contempt?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31625</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rn, by your standards Cllr Julie Smith ought to have resigned a few times since she became the Executive Councillor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rn, by your standards Cllr Julie Smith ought to have resigned a few times since she became the Executive Councillor.</p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31622</link>
		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - the Executive councillor is always in control. It's part of the job. The moment he/she loses control he/she must resign. It's called democratic accountability (it's also what we pay politicans for).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard - the Executive councillor is always in control. It&#8217;s part of the job. The moment he/she loses control he/she must resign. It&#8217;s called democratic accountability (it&#8217;s also what we pay politicans for).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Osborne</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31615</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it wouldn't surprise me if the police came for the mill road winter fair next, they can't touch the midsummer fair because of it's royal charter. In the future if i were the police i'd probably ask that all local derby football matches be held at neutral locations away from major population centers. I suspect they'll ask that all nightclubs finish at 10pm and that a cufew is in place after midnight, it would certainly make cambridge easier to police, and seeing as how rob needle who is clearly to the right of gengis khan and is now the politician in charge of licensing, i guess this is what we have to look forward to. When are the elected councillors of the police authority going to take this rogue commander to task???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the police came for the mill road winter fair next, they can&#8217;t touch the midsummer fair because of it&#8217;s royal charter. In the future if i were the police i&#8217;d probably ask that all local derby football matches be held at neutral locations away from major population centers. I suspect they&#8217;ll ask that all nightclubs finish at 10pm and that a cufew is in place after midnight, it would certainly make cambridge easier to police, and seeing as how rob needle who is clearly to the right of gengis khan and is now the politician in charge of licensing, i guess this is what we have to look forward to. When are the elected councillors of the police authority going to take this rogue commander to task???</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31567</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questions need to be asked at the community services scrutiny committee on Wednesday to find out what the council did and why; and to find out if the Executive councillor was in control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions need to be asked at the community services scrutiny committee on Wednesday to find out what the council did and why; and to find out if the Executive councillor was in control.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31562</link>
		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the police were threatening to review the council licence for all events on the common.  That would go towards explaining the council decision to drop strawberry fair from that agreement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the police were threatening to review the council licence for all events on the common.  That would go towards explaining the council decision to drop strawberry fair from that agreement</p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, as you say, Julie Smith's decision not to allow Strawberry Fair to use the council's license was done out of ignorance (rather than an act of political will), it rather begs questions of her competence in office. Given the folk festival fiasco (another big Cambridge event recently mis-managed and blamed on officials and outside forces) I would have thought that executive councillors might be expected to be on top of the job. This being the city council I assume a resignation is out of the question...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, as you say, Julie Smith&#8217;s decision not to allow Strawberry Fair to use the council&#8217;s license was done out of ignorance (rather than an act of political will), it rather begs questions of her competence in office. Given the folk festival fiasco (another big Cambridge event recently mis-managed and blamed on officials and outside forces) I would have thought that executive councillors might be expected to be on top of the job. This being the city council I assume a resignation is out of the question&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31537</link>
		<dc:creator>David Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the comparison with the licences at the Cattle Market and Mill Rd is inaccurate. What prevented those going ahead was the Council's decision on impact zones and the Council's initial rejection of the applications. The point about refusing to use the Council's own licence for SF is well taken but it was clearly done in ignorance of the possible impact rather than as an attempt to sabotage the event. The Police, on the other hand, were clearly seeking impossible conditions, and have probably created a messy confrontation at a time when the fair organisers were more willing to work to change the event than for a number of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the comparison with the licences at the Cattle Market and Mill Rd is inaccurate. What prevented those going ahead was the Council&#8217;s decision on impact zones and the Council&#8217;s initial rejection of the applications. The point about refusing to use the Council&#8217;s own licence for SF is well taken but it was clearly done in ignorance of the possible impact rather than as an attempt to sabotage the event. The Police, on the other hand, were clearly seeking impossible conditions, and have probably created a messy confrontation at a time when the fair organisers were more willing to work to change the event than for a number of years.</p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31491</link>
		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, fair point. The police's actions are worrying, but Cambridge City Council is one of the few bodies capable of overruling the police (or more simply - in this case - circumventing them entirely) and they chose not to. Tescos and Wetherspoons have to work within police/council guidelines. The council SETS those guidelines. To equate the cases is misguided and wrong. This is a political decision, pure and simple, which councillors have successfully pinned on a hapless and lazy police force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, fair point. The police&#8217;s actions are worrying, but Cambridge City Council is one of the few bodies capable of overruling the police (or more simply - in this case - circumventing them entirely) and they chose not to. Tescos and Wetherspoons have to work within police/council guidelines. The council SETS those guidelines. To equate the cases is misguided and wrong. This is a political decision, pure and simple, which councillors have successfully pinned on a hapless and lazy police force.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hollingsbee</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31469</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hollingsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Cambridge News website today Chief Superintendent Rob Needle of Cambs police is quoted as saying "we are not against the event in principle, and never have been."

If that is the case then why didn't they work with the organisers rather than trying to sabotage Strawberry Fair with their drug arrests PR exercises, their ridiculous demands for payment, and now by opposing the licence needed to hold the event.

What concerns me most about this, even more than losing Strawberry Fair for a year, is the way that the police are taking an increasingly political role in Cambridge (and presumably elsewhere).

It is a well-funded police legal team that was largely responsible for preventing a new pub opening at Cambridge Leisure, for stopping Tesco getting an alcohol licence in their Mill Road store, and now for cancelling Strawberry Fair.

Whatever people believe about the rights and wrongs of each of these three examples, what they have in common is that the police have managed to prevent lawful activity that was desired by a significant proportion of the local community - because they think it will make their jobs harder.

Imagine what would happen if they took the same approach with football, and tried to get the troublesome matches banned. No crime, but no fun for the law-abiding majority either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Cambridge News website today Chief Superintendent Rob Needle of Cambs police is quoted as saying &#8220;we are not against the event in principle, and never have been.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that is the case then why didn&#8217;t they work with the organisers rather than trying to sabotage Strawberry Fair with their drug arrests PR exercises, their ridiculous demands for payment, and now by opposing the licence needed to hold the event.</p>
<p>What concerns me most about this, even more than losing Strawberry Fair for a year, is the way that the police are taking an increasingly political role in Cambridge (and presumably elsewhere).</p>
<p>It is a well-funded police legal team that was largely responsible for preventing a new pub opening at Cambridge Leisure, for stopping Tesco getting an alcohol licence in their Mill Road store, and now for cancelling Strawberry Fair.</p>
<p>Whatever people believe about the rights and wrongs of each of these three examples, what they have in common is that the police have managed to prevent lawful activity that was desired by a significant proportion of the local community - because they think it will make their jobs harder.</p>
<p>Imagine what would happen if they took the same approach with football, and tried to get the troublesome matches banned. No crime, but no fun for the law-abiding majority either.</p>
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		<title>By: rn</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31446</link>
		<dc:creator>rn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - I think you - and many others - are missing the point by blaming the police. The council possesses a license for Midsummer Common. For the first time in forty years they didn't allow SF to use it. SF had to apply for a license (and unsurprisingly the police objected, as they no doubt would if I - or you  - tried to hold such a large and messy event). The blame lies squarely with the councillors who created this situation (and then tried to confuse, successfully it would seem, the issue by voting for the new license). The police may not be democratically accountable but the councillors on the license committee are (I wonder how many of them seek re-election this year?). I see Jenny Liddle has said how disappointed she is - maybe she should use the license which she possesses and save the day (or perhaps living 20 miles away she doesn't really care)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David - I think you - and many others - are missing the point by blaming the police. The council possesses a license for Midsummer Common. For the first time in forty years they didn&#8217;t allow SF to use it. SF had to apply for a license (and unsurprisingly the police objected, as they no doubt would if I - or you  - tried to hold such a large and messy event). The blame lies squarely with the councillors who created this situation (and then tried to confuse, successfully it would seem, the issue by voting for the new license). The police may not be democratically accountable but the councillors on the license committee are (I wonder how many of them seek re-election this year?). I see Jenny Liddle has said how disappointed she is - maybe she should use the license which she possesses and save the day (or perhaps living 20 miles away she doesn&#8217;t really care)</p>
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		<title>By: David Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31290</link>
		<dc:creator>David Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very worried that the cancellation of the Fair will be an invitation to some of the regular visitors from outside the City to create their own "event", possibly seeking confrontation with the Police, who are clearly the ones to blame for the situation (although I doubt that councillors and officers are entirely innocent - after all this is the team that gave us the missing Folk Festival money). I doubt the Police will be able to have simply their usual resources available on 6 June, so there will be the expense of preparing to police something that may not happen, without any of the genuine enjoyment that large numbers of people get from the Fair. Worst of all possible worlds, sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very worried that the cancellation of the Fair will be an invitation to some of the regular visitors from outside the City to create their own &#8220;event&#8221;, possibly seeking confrontation with the Police, who are clearly the ones to blame for the situation (although I doubt that councillors and officers are entirely innocent - after all this is the team that gave us the missing Folk Festival money). I doubt the Police will be able to have simply their usual resources available on 6 June, so there will be the expense of preparing to police something that may not happen, without any of the genuine enjoyment that large numbers of people get from the Fair. Worst of all possible worlds, sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31230</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a statement on the Strawberry Fair website at:

http://www.strawberry-fair.org.uk/

Now the fair has been cancelled then the question has to turn to what will happen when people turn up anyway on the day - how will that issue be managed and policed. I think  it is crucial the council and police come up with a statement on how they'll treat people gathering, possibly with drugs and alcohol, on the common on the day - even if there's no fair. 


Some updates / insights from Thursday's Friends of Midsummer Common meeting:

*In previous years the fair has used the council's licence. This year the council refused to allow the fair to use their existing licence for the common and required the fair to apply for their own.  Questions need to be asked about the role of councillors in making this decision. Councillors are responsible and ought to have had a grip on what was happening. It's not good enough for councillors like Julie Smith to say officers took the decision - she and her fellow elected representatives are responsible. 


*Mr Wilson said it was expected that the magistrates might not have determined the licensing appeal to one week before the event.  (Though documents I have seen suggest the appeal would have been scheduled urgently). The statement from Strawberry Fair cites the timing of the appeal as part of their reason for cancelling the event. 

*Council officer Alistair Wilson and Executive Councillor Julie Smith couldn't agree if the council had given permission for the common to be used for the event. Julie Smith said it had, Mr Wilson said no request had been received. 


*So far this year there had been no "stakeholder meetings" between the fair and local residents and the Friends of Midsummer Common as there had been last year.

I think the police ought to have policed this event; and not sought to stop it. I think the police authority ought review the police's actions and the way they've acted towards the fair. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a statement on the Strawberry Fair website at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.strawberry-fair.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.strawberry-fair.org.uk/</a></p>
<p>Now the fair has been cancelled then the question has to turn to what will happen when people turn up anyway on the day - how will that issue be managed and policed. I think  it is crucial the council and police come up with a statement on how they&#8217;ll treat people gathering, possibly with drugs and alcohol, on the common on the day - even if there&#8217;s no fair. </p>
<p>Some updates / insights from Thursday&#8217;s Friends of Midsummer Common meeting:</p>
<p>*In previous years the fair has used the council&#8217;s licence. This year the council refused to allow the fair to use their existing licence for the common and required the fair to apply for their own.  Questions need to be asked about the role of councillors in making this decision. Councillors are responsible and ought to have had a grip on what was happening. It&#8217;s not good enough for councillors like Julie Smith to say officers took the decision - she and her fellow elected representatives are responsible. </p>
<p>*Mr Wilson said it was expected that the magistrates might not have determined the licensing appeal to one week before the event.  (Though documents I have seen suggest the appeal would have been scheduled urgently). The statement from Strawberry Fair cites the timing of the appeal as part of their reason for cancelling the event. </p>
<p>*Council officer Alistair Wilson and Executive Councillor Julie Smith couldn&#8217;t agree if the council had given permission for the common to be used for the event. Julie Smith said it had, Mr Wilson said no request had been received. </p>
<p>*So far this year there had been no &#8220;stakeholder meetings&#8221; between the fair and local residents and the Friends of Midsummer Common as there had been last year.</p>
<p>I think the police ought to have policed this event; and not sought to stop it. I think the police authority ought review the police&#8217;s actions and the way they&#8217;ve acted towards the fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Price</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-31218</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strawberry Fair appears to have been cancelled http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Strawberry-Fair-cancelled.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strawberry Fair appears to have been cancelled <a href="http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Strawberry-Fair-cancelled.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Strawberry-Fair-cancelled.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deeply Green</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-30366</link>
		<dc:creator>Deeply Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am well pleased by this fair post. I'm also pleased that Ozzy's pointed out the difficulty in justifying the 'councillors gag' bit. I can't recall ever winning an argument with the Police, so they must have felt they needed to pull it.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am well pleased by this fair post. I&#8217;m also pleased that Ozzy&#8217;s pointed out the difficulty in justifying the &#8216;councillors gag&#8217; bit. I can&#8217;t recall ever winning an argument with the Police, so they must have felt they needed to pull it.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Osborne</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-29773</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the city council get the video banned, maybe they objected to the publication of the video but so did many private individuals who are portrayed in the video of which i am one. I'm all for criticising the council for being secretive but in this instance they weren't the only ones trying to get the video pulled.

Cheers

Ozzy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the city council get the video banned, maybe they objected to the publication of the video but so did many private individuals who are portrayed in the video of which i am one. I&#8217;m all for criticising the council for being secretive but in this instance they weren&#8217;t the only ones trying to get the video pulled.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Ozzy</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-29761</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have confirmed the Cambridge News link in the article is correct. It appears they have silently removed their copy of the video, along with all the comments their readers had made on it. 

Embedding does not appear to be working yet (perhaps it needs moderation by LiveLeak?) 
The video be viewed via:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=036_1267802541



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have confirmed the Cambridge News link in the article is correct. It appears they have silently removed their copy of the video, along with all the comments their readers had made on it. </p>
<p>Embedding does not appear to be working yet (perhaps it needs moderation by LiveLeak?)<br />
The video be viewed via:<br />
<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=036_1267802541" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=036_1267802541</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-29748</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am aware the council have been putting pressure on the Cambridge News to remove the video from their site. It appears they have now succumbed to that pressure (though it could be a technical glitch). The link is correct, and is as was &lt;a href="http://twitter.com/CambridgeNewsUK/status/9968903812" rel="nofollow"&gt;tweeted to announce the article&lt;/a&gt;.

Who's going to report on that - if our local councillors have gagged the local paper! 

My position makes on the video makes sense to me:

1. Once the police used this video in their submission to the licensing committee it became a key document which it is in the public interest to have in the public domain. It is essential to the understanding of the debate and for those wishing to assess the councillor's performance - something we all have to be mindful of now as it comes up to election time when we'll be asked if we think they're doing a good job or not. 

2. While I think that now the police have produced and used this video in this way it is right for it to be made available to the public, there are elements of the way in which the footage shown appears to have been collected which I disagree with and think was inappropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware the council have been putting pressure on the Cambridge News to remove the video from their site. It appears they have now succumbed to that pressure (though it could be a technical glitch). The link is correct, and is as was <a href="http://twitter.com/CambridgeNewsUK/status/9968903812" rel="nofollow">tweeted to announce the article</a>.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s going to report on that - if our local councillors have gagged the local paper! </p>
<p>My position makes on the video makes sense to me:</p>
<p>1. Once the police used this video in their submission to the licensing committee it became a key document which it is in the public interest to have in the public domain. It is essential to the understanding of the debate and for those wishing to assess the councillor&#8217;s performance - something we all have to be mindful of now as it comes up to election time when we&#8217;ll be asked if we think they&#8217;re doing a good job or not. </p>
<p>2. While I think that now the police have produced and used this video in this way it is right for it to be made available to the public, there are elements of the way in which the footage shown appears to have been collected which I disagree with and think was inappropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-strawberry-fair-video.html#comment-29744</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CEN link is broken "There is currently no data in this article, please check back later." 

With regard to the police helicopter, I think there is a major concern for their use at large public events - the result of an engine failure would lead to a very large loss of life.

When I complained to the police about their use, I was told they are used as communication points due to the ineffectiveness of the Tetra radio system.

I agree with the previous commentor about the fair gradually degrading as the day wears on. Perhaps it should return to its roots and become local with no amplified music!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CEN link is broken &#8220;There is currently no data in this article, please check back later.&#8221; </p>
<p>With regard to the police helicopter, I think there is a major concern for their use at large public events - the result of an engine failure would lead to a very large loss of life.</p>
<p>When I complained to the police about their use, I was told they are used as communication points due to the ineffectiveness of the Tetra radio system.</p>
<p>I agree with the previous commentor about the fair gradually degrading as the day wears on. Perhaps it should return to its roots and become local with no amplified music!</p>
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