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	<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sunday Times have an article on the increasing problem of the police stopping people taking photographs in public:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article7050481.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sunday Times have an article on the increasing problem of the police stopping people taking photographs in public:</p>
<p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article7050481.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article7050481.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-29577</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the time it's not even policing, it's just people who've got some kind of community safety role acting completely outside their responsibilities, Jobsworths I've heard them called. See a film about this: 'Freedom to Film', http://www.worldbytes.org/programmes/013/013_003.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the time it&#8217;s not even policing, it&#8217;s just people who&#8217;ve got some kind of community safety role acting completely outside their responsibilities, Jobsworths I&#8217;ve heard them called. See a film about this: &#8216;Freedom to Film&#8217;, <a href="http://www.worldbytes.org/programmes/013/013_003.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldbytes.org/programmes/013/013_003.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another case in today's paper. A man is threatened with arrest after refusing to hand his phone, on which he'd taken a photo of his son, to a police officer. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254175/Father-stopped-taking-picture-son-4-childrens-train-ride-case-paedophile.html 

We must send people to Parliament who will put a stop to this ludicrous policing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another case in today&#8217;s paper. A man is threatened with arrest after refusing to hand his phone, on which he&#8217;d taken a photo of his son, to a police officer. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254175/Father-stopped-taking-picture-son-4-childrens-train-ride-case-paedophile.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254175/Father-stopped-taking-picture-son-4-childrens-train-ride-case-paedophile.html</a> </p>
<p>We must send people to Parliament who will put a stop to this ludicrous policing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-28929</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another case of someone stopped from taking photographs in public by police citing anti-terror legislation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest

The man was arrested. 

While full details might not be available on the video it does appear that the police officer lies to the man who has been stopped and tells him he is required to give her his "details". This appears to me to be &lt;a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2002/ukpga_20020030_en_6#pt4-ch2-pb2-l1g50" rel="nofollow"&gt;an abuse of section 50 of the Police Reform Act&lt;/a&gt; which gives police the power to demand the name and address of those they believe are or have been acting antisocially (the &lt;a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980037_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g1" rel="nofollow"&gt;relevent definition of ant-social&lt;/a&gt; being causing harassment, alarm or distress).  No reasons for believing any harassment, alarm or distress had been caused were given, and even if they had been I think this law is far to broad and as seen in this case open to abuse by the police.    

The acting sergeant appears to claim &lt;a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g2" rel="nofollow"&gt;section two of the Violent Crime Reduction Act&lt;/a&gt; requires the photographer to give his name and address.   That piece of law relates to the "Duration of drinking banning orders" and is completely irrelevant. 

I have personally experienced the problem then faced by the individual - the police are saying they can demand your name and address; you are almost completely sure you don't have to give it, but you don't have immediate access to the law to check and you know the consequence will be arrest if you don't comply. Arrest, even if innocent, prevents one from travelling visa-free to the USA and results in DNA being taken (forcibly if necessary) and a permanent entry being made on the national DNA database. 

I have made an FOI request for information relating to any complaints about the incident and asked for details of any outcomes.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/arrest_of_photographer_in_accrin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another case of someone stopped from taking photographs in public by police citing anti-terror legislation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest</a></p>
<p>The man was arrested. </p>
<p>While full details might not be available on the video it does appear that the police officer lies to the man who has been stopped and tells him he is required to give her his &#8220;details&#8221;. This appears to me to be <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2002/ukpga_20020030_en_6#pt4-ch2-pb2-l1g50" rel="nofollow">an abuse of section 50 of the Police Reform Act</a> which gives police the power to demand the name and address of those they believe are or have been acting antisocially (the <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980037_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g1" rel="nofollow">relevent definition of ant-social</a> being causing harassment, alarm or distress).  No reasons for believing any harassment, alarm or distress had been caused were given, and even if they had been I think this law is far to broad and as seen in this case open to abuse by the police.    </p>
<p>The acting sergeant appears to claim <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g2" rel="nofollow">section two of the Violent Crime Reduction Act</a> requires the photographer to give his name and address.   That piece of law relates to the &#8220;Duration of drinking banning orders&#8221; and is completely irrelevant. </p>
<p>I have personally experienced the problem then faced by the individual - the police are saying they can demand your name and address; you are almost completely sure you don&#8217;t have to give it, but you don&#8217;t have immediate access to the law to check and you know the consequence will be arrest if you don&#8217;t comply. Arrest, even if innocent, prevents one from travelling visa-free to the USA and results in DNA being taken (forcibly if necessary) and a permanent entry being made on the national DNA database. </p>
<p>I have made an FOI request for information relating to any complaints about the incident and asked for details of any outcomes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/arrest_of_photographer_in_accrin" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/arrest_of_photographer_in_accrin</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-24534</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to get a grip on our increasingly oppressive police. 

Latest in this thread - Italian Student arrested for photographing London building:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/15/italian-student-police-arrest-filming

With respect to viewing films and searching phones It's important that people who're not criminals, or suspects, ought be able to keep things secret from the state. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to get a grip on our increasingly oppressive police. </p>
<p>Latest in this thread - Italian Student arrested for photographing London building:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/15/italian-student-police-arrest-filming" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/15/italian-student-police-arrest-filming</a></p>
<p>With respect to viewing films and searching phones It&#8217;s important that people who&#8217;re not criminals, or suspects, ought be able to keep things secret from the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-24349</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The City of London have threatened a journalist with arrest if he didn't let them view photos he had taken:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/11/snapshot-special-branch-terror-suspect

An ITN film crew have also been stopped filming by the City of London police:

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ITN_film_crew_stopped_while_covering_photographer_story_news_292827.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of London have threatened a journalist with arrest if he didn&#8217;t let them view photos he had taken:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/11/snapshot-special-branch-terror-suspect" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/11/snapshot-special-branch-terror-suspect</a></p>
<p>An ITN film crew have also been stopped filming by the City of London police:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ITN_film_crew_stopped_while_covering_photographer_story_news_292827.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ITN_film_crew_stopped_while_covering_photographer_story_news_292827.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-24021</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British Journal of Photography is reporting that Grant Smith, a photographer and former chairman of the Association of Photographers, has was briefly detained by the Met Police for photographing a building earlier today:

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=871742

The police appear to have threatened to search him if he did not identify himself. 

I think the police attitude is awful; we need put a stop to this kind of behaviour by the police as its seriously damaging the relationship between the public and police.

If this incident had happened in Cambridge, the photographer would not have been given a Stop and Account form and there may have been no official trace the events took place. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British Journal of Photography is reporting that Grant Smith, a photographer and former chairman of the Association of Photographers, has was briefly detained by the Met Police for photographing a building earlier today:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=871742" rel="nofollow">http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=871742</a></p>
<p>The police appear to have threatened to search him if he did not identify himself. </p>
<p>I think the police attitude is awful; we need put a stop to this kind of behaviour by the police as its seriously damaging the relationship between the public and police.</p>
<p>If this incident had happened in Cambridge, the photographer would not have been given a Stop and Account form and there may have been no official trace the events took place.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Metropolitan Police have updated their guidance on stopping people taking photographs and have made their officers and PCSOs aware of it. 

The guidance is available online at:
&lt;a href="http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm&lt;/a&gt;

I think Cambridgeshire Police need to do something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Metropolitan Police have updated their guidance on stopping people taking photographs and have made their officers and PCSOs aware of it. </p>
<p>The guidance is available online at:<br />
<a href="http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm</a></p>
<p>I think Cambridgeshire Police need to do something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-14398</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A particularly astounding case of the police stopping a photographer in Kent has been &lt;a href="http://monaxle.com/2009/07/08/section-44-in-chatham-high-street/" rel="nofollow"&gt;publicised on the photographer's blog&lt;/a&gt;. 

The photographer was aware of the fact the officers had no power to demand his name and address; but arrested him because they thought him not giving it was suspicious. 

The &lt;a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/15/tall_photographers/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Chief Constable of Kent police is being reported&lt;/a&gt; as having said:&lt;blockquote&gt; 
When challenged by the police officer the man refused to give any personal details which it was thought was suspicious.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A particularly astounding case of the police stopping a photographer in Kent has been <a href="http://monaxle.com/2009/07/08/section-44-in-chatham-high-street/" rel="nofollow">publicised on the photographer&#8217;s blog</a>. </p>
<p>The photographer was aware of the fact the officers had no power to demand his name and address; but arrested him because they thought him not giving it was suspicious. </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/15/tall_photographers/" rel="nofollow">Chief Constable of Kent police is being reported</a> as having said:<br />
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When challenged by the police officer the man refused to give any personal details which it was thought was suspicious.
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/police-stopping-people-taking-photographs-in-public-places.html#comment-12666</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed this up when I &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/meeting-dorothy-gregson-chief-executive-of-cambridgeshire-police-authority.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;met the Chief Executive of the Police Authority&lt;/a&gt;, she claimed it was not a problem which had come to the authority's attention before. She agreed with Mr Wilkins though on the best approach for the authority to take being to monitor training given to officers in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed this up when I <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/meeting-dorothy-gregson-chief-executive-of-cambridgeshire-police-authority.html" rel="nofollow">met the Chief Executive of the Police Authority</a>, she claimed it was not a problem which had come to the authority&#8217;s attention before. She agreed with Mr Wilkins though on the best approach for the authority to take being to monitor training given to officers in this area.</p>
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