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	<title>Comments on: Asking the Police to Record The Costs of Crime</title>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the North Area Committee on the 12th of November 2009 I again raised the matter of recording the costs of crime with the police.  I recapped on the "conversation" I had been having with Sgt. Wragg during the policing agenda item of the North Area committee meetings which the police have attended over the last year.  

I attended armed with the outcome of my &lt;a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/recording_the_costs_of_crime" rel="nofollow"&gt;freedom of information request&lt;/a&gt; which confirmed the police were not recording the costs of crime.  I said that asking for, and recording the costs of damage was crucial. I said it was an important and obvious part of what the police ought to do following cases of criminal damage. I noted other forces mange to do it an said this was an example of how we in Cambridgeshire are getting a poor quality of service from the police. 

I explained I felt it was important both so reports on levels or crime could be interpreted and more importantly so the courts are in possession of all the facts saying I was concerned that if they were not then punishments and sentences might not be appropriate and those who had suffered losses would not get compensation. 

Sgt. Wragg said that criminal damage was something which "had been taken on by the council", he suggested it was not a police matter. 

Inspector Kerridge cited damage to vehicles as an example of the very lowest level of crime, clearly implying it the matter  not, in his view, very important.  To some extent I agree, but I think we need a basic level of quality in policing even when it comes to more minor crime. 

The Liberal Democrat councillors all sat in silence and made no comment. They don't like to use their ability to influence the police. 

Labour's Cllr Mike Todd-Jones though took up the matter of criminal damage with a passion; noting damage to vehicles is a problem, both in Arbury and recently in neighboring Castle ward. He suggested prioritising tackling the problem, but he was on his own so I don't believe this got taken up (There was no clear vote taken).  

While the police had reported very low burglary levels to the North Area committee, and had been commended for them by me and by councillors, a couple of days later it was revealed that &lt;a href="http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/displayarticle.asp?id=463674" rel="nofollow"&gt;burglars in the area have been stealing tens of thousands of pounds worth of gold and jewelery from homes&lt;/a&gt;. Recording the costs of crime, and including them in the report, would have flagged this up and the police burglary figures would have looked less impressive. That the area's burglars are improving their efficiency and are becoming better at picking their targets might be good for the police's crime figures but it is not a sign the police are effectively tackling the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the North Area Committee on the 12th of November 2009 I again raised the matter of recording the costs of crime with the police.  I recapped on the &#8220;conversation&#8221; I had been having with Sgt. Wragg during the policing agenda item of the North Area committee meetings which the police have attended over the last year.  </p>
<p>I attended armed with the outcome of my <a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/recording_the_costs_of_crime" rel="nofollow">freedom of information request</a> which confirmed the police were not recording the costs of crime.  I said that asking for, and recording the costs of damage was crucial. I said it was an important and obvious part of what the police ought to do following cases of criminal damage. I noted other forces mange to do it an said this was an example of how we in Cambridgeshire are getting a poor quality of service from the police. </p>
<p>I explained I felt it was important both so reports on levels or crime could be interpreted and more importantly so the courts are in possession of all the facts saying I was concerned that if they were not then punishments and sentences might not be appropriate and those who had suffered losses would not get compensation. </p>
<p>Sgt. Wragg said that criminal damage was something which &#8220;had been taken on by the council&#8221;, he suggested it was not a police matter. </p>
<p>Inspector Kerridge cited damage to vehicles as an example of the very lowest level of crime, clearly implying it the matter  not, in his view, very important.  To some extent I agree, but I think we need a basic level of quality in policing even when it comes to more minor crime. </p>
<p>The Liberal Democrat councillors all sat in silence and made no comment. They don&#8217;t like to use their ability to influence the police. </p>
<p>Labour&#8217;s Cllr Mike Todd-Jones though took up the matter of criminal damage with a passion; noting damage to vehicles is a problem, both in Arbury and recently in neighboring Castle ward. He suggested prioritising tackling the problem, but he was on his own so I don&#8217;t believe this got taken up (There was no clear vote taken).  </p>
<p>While the police had reported very low burglary levels to the North Area committee, and had been commended for them by me and by councillors, a couple of days later it was revealed that <a href="http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/displayarticle.asp?id=463674" rel="nofollow">burglars in the area have been stealing tens of thousands of pounds worth of gold and jewelery from homes</a>. Recording the costs of crime, and including them in the report, would have flagged this up and the police burglary figures would have looked less impressive. That the area&#8217;s burglars are improving their efficiency and are becoming better at picking their targets might be good for the police&#8217;s crime figures but it is not a sign the police are effectively tackling the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as with the link to the hospital database, information from insurance companies would be valuable for those setting police priorities. 

I wouldn't want to see the police estimating   when accurate information is available - sometimes that does happen at the moment - and is one reason I want to find out more about what they do. 

I am not proposing an increase in paperwork; just using the systems which are already in place; and perhaps tweaking the system so that those whose property is damaged can more easily inform the police (and through them the courts) of costs they have incurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as with the link to the hospital database, information from insurance companies would be valuable for those setting police priorities. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to see the police estimating   when accurate information is available - sometimes that does happen at the moment - and is one reason I want to find out more about what they do. </p>
<p>I am not proposing an increase in paperwork; just using the systems which are already in place; and perhaps tweaking the system so that those whose property is damaged can more easily inform the police (and through them the courts) of costs they have incurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/asking-the-police-to-record-the-costs-of-crime.html#comment-13081</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lucy; I would not wish to increase the amount of time that the police spend on their paperwork and I think that having individual officers guess at a cost would be counter-productive.  (Sample question: Is a Ford Focus heated wing mirror more expensive than a BMW rear light cluster?)

Insurance companies don't pay claims of this nature without a police incident number, so that would seem to be a perfect link to connect the two databases. 

And, of course, only the insurance company will know the true cost of the claim when taking into account things such as loss of No Claims bonus, increased premiums, postcode risk allocation, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lucy; I would not wish to increase the amount of time that the police spend on their paperwork and I think that having individual officers guess at a cost would be counter-productive.  (Sample question: Is a Ford Focus heated wing mirror more expensive than a BMW rear light cluster?)</p>
<p>Insurance companies don&#8217;t pay claims of this nature without a police incident number, so that would seem to be a perfect link to connect the two databases. </p>
<p>And, of course, only the insurance company will know the true cost of the claim when taking into account things such as loss of No Claims bonus, increased premiums, postcode risk allocation, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point, perhaps one way to cut down on paperwork could be for the insurance companies to inform the police of the costs.  This could then have a simple inputting cost, and a set up cost of another field on any police database.  Making the assumption they have a database system for logging crimes (!). 

It would be in the interests of the insurance companies to log this with the police as maybe a large cost could be an incentive to prioritise the crime.

If the police fill these forms out at the time then it is only guesswork of the cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, perhaps one way to cut down on paperwork could be for the insurance companies to inform the police of the costs.  This could then have a simple inputting cost, and a set up cost of another field on any police database.  Making the assumption they have a database system for logging crimes (!). </p>
<p>It would be in the interests of the insurance companies to log this with the police as maybe a large cost could be an incentive to prioritise the crime.</p>
<p>If the police fill these forms out at the time then it is only guesswork of the cost.</p>
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