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	<title>Comments on: A Democratic Decision to Fell Trees on Midsummer Common</title>
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		<title>By: John Lawton</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-44954</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lawton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but according to Kenny the machine had correctly detected decay based on a post-felling inspection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but according to Kenny the machine had correctly detected decay based on a post-felling inspection.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-12704</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A source has suggested to me that using Cambridge City Council's tree ultrasound device involves hammering in a ring of large "nails" around the tree at each point at which a horizontal scan is to be conducted. It is apparantly not as non-invasive as I had assumed having listened to presentations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A source has suggested to me that using Cambridge City Council&#8217;s tree ultrasound device involves hammering in a ring of large &#8220;nails&#8221; around the tree at each point at which a horizontal scan is to be conducted. It is apparantly not as non-invasive as I had assumed having listened to presentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7926</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An independent assessment of one of the trees to be felled is available as it has been considered in the &lt;a href="http://www.brunswick-site.co.uk/pdf/planning_application/10-%20Arboricultural%20Impact%20Assessment/01_Arboricultural%20survey.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Arboricultural Impact Assessment&lt;/a&gt; prepared by &lt;i&gt;tree&lt;/i&gt;:fabrik as part of the &lt;a href="http://www.brunswick-site.co.uk/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Brunswick Riverside&lt;/a&gt; planning application.  They clearly weren't taking proper account of the Council's chainsaw happy nature when they estimated the tree would survive, contributing to the area for 10-20 years more.  They recommended a 2m crown reduction and the removal of dead wood - a far more conservative approach than the felling proposed by the city council. 

This is the White Willow which is on highways ground next to the Elizabeth Way bridge but is still managed by the City Council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An independent assessment of one of the trees to be felled is available as it has been considered in the <a href="http://www.brunswick-site.co.uk/pdf/planning_application/10-%20Arboricultural%20Impact%20Assessment/01_Arboricultural%20survey.pdf" rel="nofollow">Arboricultural Impact Assessment</a> prepared by <i>tree</i>:fabrik as part of the <a href="http://www.brunswick-site.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Brunswick Riverside</a> planning application.  They clearly weren&#8217;t taking proper account of the Council&#8217;s chainsaw happy nature when they estimated the tree would survive, contributing to the area for 10-20 years more.  They recommended a 2m crown reduction and the removal of dead wood - a far more conservative approach than the felling proposed by the city council. </p>
<p>This is the White Willow which is on highways ground next to the Elizabeth Way bridge but is still managed by the City Council.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7915</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne,

I've not ignored the odd reasons given for chopping down trees. I've been repeatedly drawing attention to them, and have been challenging councillors when they claim they only fell diseased and dangerous trees. 

 I've written on this website about &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/jesus-green-trees.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;plans to fell trees for not being in straight lines on Jesus Green&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/west-central-area-committee-september-2008.html#comment-4481" rel="nofollow"&gt;felling of trees on Parkers' Piece to enable "more consistent planting" on one side&lt;/a&gt;, the felling of trees because they're non-native at &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/trees-to-be-felled-on-midsummer-common.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Brooklands Avenue&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-to-fell-73-trees-at-byrons-pool.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;at Byron's Pool&lt;/a&gt; as well as the misguided "diversity" arguments used to justify felling trees which shade watercourses at those latter two sites.  

I asked about the council's reported advice to EDF fell the Jesus Green Cherry trees both at the West Central Area committee and &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/trees-to-be-felled-for-temporary-car-park-on-jesus-green.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;in my objection letter to the planning application.&lt;/a&gt;  

I also made all these points when I spoke at the &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-parks-and-open-spaces-strategy-omits-trees.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Community Services Scrutiny Committee in March 2009&lt;/a&gt;. 

While councillors often say they're felling trees because they're diseased and dangerous many trees are being lost because of these other reasons. When I challenged Cllr Julie Smith for &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/jesus-green-trees.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;describing the trees to be felled on Jesus Green as "old and frail, poorly formed or diseased"&lt;/a&gt; she &lt;a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/jesus-green-association-open-meeting.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;retracted this and claimed she had been misled by her officers. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not ignored the odd reasons given for chopping down trees. I&#8217;ve been repeatedly drawing attention to them, and have been challenging councillors when they claim they only fell diseased and dangerous trees. </p>
<p> I&#8217;ve written on this website about <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/jesus-green-trees.html" rel="nofollow">plans to fell trees for not being in straight lines on Jesus Green</a>, the <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/west-central-area-committee-september-2008.html#comment-4481" rel="nofollow">felling of trees on Parkers&#8217; Piece to enable &#8220;more consistent planting&#8221; on one side</a>, the felling of trees because they&#8217;re non-native at <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/trees-to-be-felled-on-midsummer-common.html" rel="nofollow">Brooklands Avenue</a> and <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-to-fell-73-trees-at-byrons-pool.html" rel="nofollow">at Byron&#8217;s Pool</a> as well as the misguided &#8220;diversity&#8221; arguments used to justify felling trees which shade watercourses at those latter two sites.  </p>
<p>I asked about the council&#8217;s reported advice to EDF fell the Jesus Green Cherry trees both at the West Central Area committee and <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/trees-to-be-felled-for-temporary-car-park-on-jesus-green.html" rel="nofollow">in my objection letter to the planning application.</a>  </p>
<p>I also made all these points when I spoke at the <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/cambridge-city-council-parks-and-open-spaces-strategy-omits-trees.html" rel="nofollow">Community Services Scrutiny Committee in March 2009</a>. </p>
<p>While councillors often say they&#8217;re felling trees because they&#8217;re diseased and dangerous many trees are being lost because of these other reasons. When I challenged Cllr Julie Smith for <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/jesus-green-trees.html" rel="nofollow">describing the trees to be felled on Jesus Green as &#8220;old and frail, poorly formed or diseased&#8221;</a> she <a href="http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/jesus-green-association-open-meeting.html" rel="nofollow">retracted this and claimed she had been misled by her officers. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Anne Garvey</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7913</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Garvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard you are so right to try and make the Council more accountable as Councillors for tree felling. But I don't think you can ignore that there is a weird trend towards chopping down trees for odd reasons. On the Jesus Green visit from the Landscape Architect whose vision is a single line of plane trees and no more, we heard that all other trees would be best off felled. That included the now flowering cherry trees planted only a decade ago. Being slaves to fashion apparently touches on trees as well as hemlines. 
BY the way I do think that everyone involved or related to officers or Councillors should declare their association and that Aymie has nothing to complain about We all need to know where contributors and commentators are coming from on a personal and interested basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard you are so right to try and make the Council more accountable as Councillors for tree felling. But I don&#8217;t think you can ignore that there is a weird trend towards chopping down trees for odd reasons. On the Jesus Green visit from the Landscape Architect whose vision is a single line of plane trees and no more, we heard that all other trees would be best off felled. That included the now flowering cherry trees planted only a decade ago. Being slaves to fashion apparently touches on trees as well as hemlines.<br />
BY the way I do think that everyone involved or related to officers or Councillors should declare their association and that Aymie has nothing to complain about We all need to know where contributors and commentators are coming from on a personal and interested basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7676</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if any of my visitors from &lt;a href="http://www.witchcraft.net" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.witchcraft.net&lt;/a&gt; would be prepared to share their interest in this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if any of my visitors from <a href="http://www.witchcraft.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.witchcraft.net</a> would be prepared to share their interest in this article!</p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7599</link>
		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John

civil servants work for Whitehall, that's another branch of government entirely, which has a well-known code. Local government workers don't have such a code and the rules are opaque at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John</p>
<p>civil servants work for Whitehall, that&#8217;s another branch of government entirely, which has a well-known code. Local government workers don&#8217;t have such a code and the rules are opaque at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no quantification of the risk. 

I complained that there was no mention of the urgency of the work. If this point had been addressed it might have been answered in terms of probability. 

The tone of what happened was that councillors were told the risk was non-zero and therefore decided to call in the chainsaws. Phrases such as "high risk" and "unacceptable risk" and "increasing risk as time goes on" were used by tree officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no quantification of the risk. </p>
<p>I complained that there was no mention of the urgency of the work. If this point had been addressed it might have been answered in terms of probability. </p>
<p>The tone of what happened was that councillors were told the risk was non-zero and therefore decided to call in the chainsaws. Phrases such as &#8220;high risk&#8221; and &#8220;unacceptable risk&#8221; and &#8220;increasing risk as time goes on&#8221; were used by tree officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie Bow</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7581</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie Bow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the council or its officers give any figures for the risk involved? What is the likelihood of a branch snapping off in the next year? 1 in 5? 1 in 100? 1 in 1million? In other words, what risk assessment was taken?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the council or its officers give any figures for the risk involved? What is the likelihood of a branch snapping off in the next year? 1 in 5? 1 in 100? 1 in 1million? In other words, what risk assessment was taken?</p>
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		<title>By: John Lawton</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7579</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lawton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - what makes you think that council officers are not civil servants, I would have thought that they were exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul - what makes you think that council officers are not civil servants, I would have thought that they were exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7568</link>
		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would say here is what EXACTLY do council officers sign up to. They are decidedly not civil servants so what EXACTLY is the 'code'.

After all, when you live here what rights to behaving like other citizens are you signing away when you join the council. Is it clear? What does 'impartial' actually mean?

I think you will find that it is not at all clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would say here is what EXACTLY do council officers sign up to. They are decidedly not civil servants so what EXACTLY is the &#8216;code&#8217;.</p>
<p>After all, when you live here what rights to behaving like other citizens are you signing away when you join the council. Is it clear? What does &#8216;impartial&#8217; actually mean?</p>
<p>I think you will find that it is not at all clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 
I think it is right that council officers and civil servants ought to remain impartial. 

Seven or eight years ago I applied for public sector roles myself which would have restricted my ability to participate in public debate so I have an awareness from that perspective. 

Councillors and candidates from the City and County have responded to what has been written on this site, via comments, emails and references while speaking. It is treated similarly to other forums of discussion. 

Are you sure someone connected to a council officer would not write a letter to the Cambridge News commenting on the officer's area of work? That format might make it harder to identify and highlight a potential conflict of interest, though if one was identified - in the analogous situation of a postal address (or an unusual surname) of a correspondent matching that of a senior officer I would expect investigations to be carried out and if appriopriate an explanatory note printed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
I think it is right that council officers and civil servants ought to remain impartial. </p>
<p>Seven or eight years ago I applied for public sector roles myself which would have restricted my ability to participate in public debate so I have an awareness from that perspective. </p>
<p>Councillors and candidates from the City and County have responded to what has been written on this site, via comments, emails and references while speaking. It is treated similarly to other forums of discussion. </p>
<p>Are you sure someone connected to a council officer would not write a letter to the Cambridge News commenting on the officer&#8217;s area of work? That format might make it harder to identify and highlight a potential conflict of interest, though if one was identified - in the analogous situation of a postal address (or an unusual surname) of a correspondent matching that of a senior officer I would expect investigations to be carried out and if appriopriate an explanatory note printed.</p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7563</link>
		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard

I think there's a bigger issue here which is what EXACTLY officers sign up to when they become officers. 

i.e. are they no longer citizens with rights to say whatever the f*&#38;k they like.

Exactly what rights do they sign away - like civil servants - or are they actually terribly vague, these 'conditions'.

It doesn't really matter if they are or are not commenting on an area they have a working interest in, the issue is what liberties are they signing away? What EXACTLY are they allowed to comment on publicly?

I can see where you are coming from prodding away at this but look at this from the other *citizen's* perspective.

A better avenue, I would venture, is to ask why *they* are not responding to you as they might the CEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a bigger issue here which is what EXACTLY officers sign up to when they become officers. </p>
<p>i.e. are they no longer citizens with rights to say whatever the f*&amp;k they like.</p>
<p>Exactly what rights do they sign away - like civil servants - or are they actually terribly vague, these &#8216;conditions&#8217;.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter if they are or are not commenting on an area they have a working interest in, the issue is what liberties are they signing away? What EXACTLY are they allowed to comment on publicly?</p>
<p>I can see where you are coming from prodding away at this but look at this from the other *citizen&#8217;s* perspective.</p>
<p>A better avenue, I would venture, is to ask why *they* are not responding to you as they might the CEN.</p>
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		<title>By: Aymie Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7562</link>
		<dc:creator>Aymie Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you need to know is that I wish that my IP address taken out of the public domain. I understand that may website hosts can see the IP address of the people using it, but they do not publish it. I wish it to be taken down.

A note for you 'followers' I am not the Tree Officer in question. I just wished to raise a few points without being persicuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you need to know is that I wish that my IP address taken out of the public domain. I understand that may website hosts can see the IP address of the people using it, but they do not publish it. I wish it to be taken down.</p>
<p>A note for you &#8216;followers&#8217; I am not the Tree Officer in question. I just wished to raise a few points without being persicuted.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aymie, perhaps if you explain who you are and what your connection is to the City Council's principle tree officer that might negate the necessity to publish the IP address from which you are posting.

I note many major websites routinely publish the IP addresses of their contributors, by being active on the internet you are making your IP address known to all who you communicate with. 

[I need a policy on moderation and anonymity - it's on the to-do list - comments welcome]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aymie, perhaps if you explain who you are and what your connection is to the City Council&#8217;s principle tree officer that might negate the necessity to publish the IP address from which you are posting.</p>
<p>I note many major websites routinely publish the IP addresses of their contributors, by being active on the internet you are making your IP address known to all who you communicate with. </p>
<p>[I need a policy on moderation and anonymity - it's on the to-do list - comments welcome]</p>
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		<title>By: Aymie Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7560</link>
		<dc:creator>Aymie Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not saying there is not a link between the author of the comment and the Tree Officers address, I was aking that the IP be taken out of the public domain, or you will be liable for any consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not saying there is not a link between the author of the comment and the Tree Officers address, I was aking that the IP be taken out of the public domain, or you will be liable for any consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Aymie", it is clearly in the public interest to highlight there appears to be a link between the author of the above comments and the City Council's principle tree officer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aymie&#8221;, it is clearly in the public interest to highlight there appears to be a link between the author of the above comments and the City Council&#8217;s principle tree officer.</p>
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		<title>By: Aymie Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aymie Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I request that you IMEDIATELY take down the IP address. Publishing IP adressess is a GROSS MISCONDUCT and invasion of privacy.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7556</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comment has been posted from IP address "&lt;a href="http://whois.domaintools.com/83.105.93.235" rel="nofollow"&gt;83.105.93.235&lt;/a&gt;" which resolves to:  oviatt-ham.demon.co.uk 

Diana Oviatt-Hamm is the City Council's Principal Tree Officer.  An electoral roll search indicates a Diana E Oviatt-Hamm lives with a Malcolm Oviatt-Hamm. A Malcolm Oviatt-Hamm runs a website selling plants at &lt;a href="http://www.oviatt-ham.demon.co.uk/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.oviatt-ham.demon.co.uk/&lt;/a&gt;

I have not described the £12K tree ultrasound device as pointless, however the evidence presented from it did not convince me (or Cllr Blencowe). As I have said I do not know where on the tree the ultrasound cross section was taken.   

I hope the council plans to (as I hope to) inspect the tree when it is felled to see if it really is almost half rotten as the scan indicated; that is how I plan to determine the effectiveness of the machine for myself. I had no opportunity to ask questions about the effectiveness of the machine before the planning meeting as the scan was only tabled at the meeting - seconds before I spoke. It was not introduced and explained at all until Cllr Blencowe asked what it showed. 

Had the machine not been used to condemn the tree I don't think the council would have any problem claiming it had no reason to think the tree was in any danger of falling should it have caused any damage. Trees and bits of trees fall down occasionally even with the council's team of tree officers constantly inspecting them. 

I wonder if the decision to spend 12K on the tree scanning machine went before an elected councillor or a committee? I believe I am the first person to publicise its existence or its cost and enable people to hold councillors to account for its purchase. 

I am prepared to do all I can to prevent the spread of an American style compensation culture in this country.</description>
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<p>Diana Oviatt-Hamm is the City Council&#8217;s Principal Tree Officer.  An electoral roll search indicates a Diana E Oviatt-Hamm lives with a Malcolm Oviatt-Hamm. A Malcolm Oviatt-Hamm runs a website selling plants at <a href="http://www.oviatt-ham.demon.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oviatt-ham.demon.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>I have not described the £12K tree ultrasound device as pointless, however the evidence presented from it did not convince me (or Cllr Blencowe). As I have said I do not know where on the tree the ultrasound cross section was taken.   </p>
<p>I hope the council plans to (as I hope to) inspect the tree when it is felled to see if it really is almost half rotten as the scan indicated; that is how I plan to determine the effectiveness of the machine for myself. I had no opportunity to ask questions about the effectiveness of the machine before the planning meeting as the scan was only tabled at the meeting - seconds before I spoke. It was not introduced and explained at all until Cllr Blencowe asked what it showed. </p>
<p>Had the machine not been used to condemn the tree I don&#8217;t think the council would have any problem claiming it had no reason to think the tree was in any danger of falling should it have caused any damage. Trees and bits of trees fall down occasionally even with the council&#8217;s team of tree officers constantly inspecting them. </p>
<p>I wonder if the decision to spend 12K on the tree scanning machine went before an elected councillor or a committee? I believe I am the first person to publicise its existence or its cost and enable people to hold councillors to account for its purchase. </p>
<p>I am prepared to do all I can to prevent the spread of an American style compensation culture in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Aymie Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7554</link>
		<dc:creator>Aymie Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that this is a classical case of an opinionated member of the public believing he is always in the right. I am sure he employs professional people in his own small company and respects their opinion and judgement.
I am sure as a well respected business man he is willing to put his money where his mouth is and indemnify the council all the relevant insurance liabilities, since kicking seems to be a valid method of testing to this gentleman.
I suggest that you at least have the sense to find out how effective the machine is, before criticising it. I understand that this is the best that money can buy. The council is unable to 'waste' money as they do, contrary to common belief, have to give account of their spending, so they cannot spend it on 'pointless' peices of equipment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that this is a classical case of an opinionated member of the public believing he is always in the right. I am sure he employs professional people in his own small company and respects their opinion and judgement.<br />
I am sure as a well respected business man he is willing to put his money where his mouth is and indemnify the council all the relevant insurance liabilities, since kicking seems to be a valid method of testing to this gentleman.<br />
I suggest that you at least have the sense to find out how effective the machine is, before criticising it. I understand that this is the best that money can buy. The council is unable to &#8216;waste&#8217; money as they do, contrary to common belief, have to give account of their spending, so they cannot spend it on &#8216;pointless&#8217; peices of equipment.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/a-democratic-decision-to-fell-trees-on-midsummer-common.html#comment-7521</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If the tree fails causing damage to persons or
property the Council will have no defence as it has identified the tree as high risk in a high risk location."

Conversely, they are saying that if they hadn't identified it as high risk, they *would* have a defence.

In other words, it all comes down to the £12K machine which they *have* to find a use for. ("This machine for finding rot inside trees... so, how many trees have we found like that? None!! Who authorised its purchase?")

I think that unretouched (no 'alarming dotted white lines' added please) photos of the rot in the trunks must be posted on the Council website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the tree fails causing damage to persons or<br />
property the Council will have no defence as it has identified the tree as high risk in a high risk location.&#8221;</p>
<p>Conversely, they are saying that if they hadn&#8217;t identified it as high risk, they *would* have a defence.</p>
<p>In other words, it all comes down to the £12K machine which they *have* to find a use for. (&#8221;This machine for finding rot inside trees&#8230; so, how many trees have we found like that? None!! Who authorised its purchase?&#8221;)</p>
<p>I think that unretouched (no &#8216;alarming dotted white lines&#8217; added please) photos of the rot in the trunks must be posted on the Council website.</p>
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